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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?!  Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:29 pm |
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I think this was in the Moderator thread, but I thought it would fit better in its own. Jervis answered my question about the release order. Eldar will be the first release after the core.
New races will be covered in 'campaign supplements' that will be around 64pp long. For the Eldar the supplement will be called Epic: Swordwind. The campaign pack will introduce provide general background for the Eldar, then list Eldar units and new Guard/Ork/Marine units, then provide campaign background for the scouring of an Imperial planet by Biel-Tann Craftworld. Army lists based on this background will be provided for Eldar, Guard (Death Korps of Krieg), Marines (a 'non-Codex' Chapter, not sure which yet!)and Orks (feral). This mirrors the format used in the Epic:Armageddon rulebook itself, and will set the template for the way that we go about bringing out Epic supplements in future.
He also noted that the Nids will still be done to correspond with the 40K Nids release next summer, so that certainly implies that both Eldar and Nids will be out by the end of next summer, several months sooner than previously announced.
It makes me a bit nervous when releases are actually moved up, rather than pushed back, but that's the word.
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 3:31 pm |
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Good news all around ! So far ... 
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:24 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 21 2003 Oct.,15:29) | | It makes me a bit nervous when releases are actually moved up, rather than pushed back, but that's the word. |
That is the plan as I know it, but there will be longer waits for further releases. after those two, we're loking at 6-9 months
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 8:43 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 21 2003 Oct.,15:29) | | I think this was in the Moderator thread, but I thought it would fit better in its own. |
Thanks, I hadn't seen it in the other thread. Looks like something else to put on my GW shopping list 
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:52 pm |
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Hi!
I just wish armies that were ill-supported the last time around could have been first this time. While its good news for players of those armies to get things pretty soon, those waiting for "later" indeed have a long wait.
Hopefully it will not be another "eternal" wait.
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 7:45 am |
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BRING BACK THE SQUATS!!!! 
I want to try some Land Trains. Then again, I might just use the list I wrote a while ago.
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 10:52 am |
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I must admit that I have mixed feelings about the release and support schedule of EA. This post makes me feel a little more optimistic, as the format and layout seem to be sound and generally I think a good idea. However, I am more worried about the comment in the recent Incoming questions of:
We're not going to promote the game heavily at all: my plan is simple to get it back in print, get Epic scale miniatures back in production, and then support the Epic hobby in an on-going way by bringing out new models, providing magazine support, and generally doing the same kind of stuff that we do for the other specialist games ranges.
In general, I am unusual in that I dont really mind what order it is all released in (there is always some new army that I want to collect), as long as it is all released properly.
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 1:26 pm |
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Hmmmm. From those two quotes, I have mixed feelings.
On the one hand I'm glad that the release could be happening sooner, as I'm eager to get started with it. If it appears in a WD, then I'll be able to find someone wanting to give it a try (similar to new army syndrome).
However, if it doesn't make enough of an appearance in WD, then the people by me quickly lose interest. If its support goes purely magazine based, then I fear a lot of my opponents will not follow it.
It will mean I would need to get a lot of games in immediatly upon release, to get them hooked. BFG has been waning a little over time, and thats how I see Epic going in my group, if its not regularly spotlighted.
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primarch
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:14 pm |
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Hi!
I know what you mean CS, I didn't like the inference in that statement you quoted either. To me it says "well, dont expect much from us, we'll do what we can when we can...if it sells...".
That statement is a far cry from the original ones of "bringing out the whole line" and "giving it better support than what was given to epic40k".
To be blunt, it sounds like the usual, well support while its new, but dont expect anything beyond "x" amount of time.
Yes, I know, its my usual "gloominess", but I call them as I see them.... 
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 2:43 pm |
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For me, the problem here is that the release of Epic is being handled as the release for Gothic or any other game. In reality, it must be done differently. Gothic burst onto the scene as a new game, with simple mechanics, a cool and strong mythos and as something completely different and quite cheap to get into.
Epic MUST counter the bad feeling that has grown up around the previous versions. To a certain extent, this is being done quite well, and I am seeing more and more posts in various places about 'dusting off the old army' and people seem more open to EA than they have been to any other edition of the game.
The Incoming quote sounds like the aim is to make Epic available to the players and those who want it. We need to make people want it. People wont even know about it otherwise and it will sell in the same volumes as before, simply because it will be to the same people as they are the only ones who know about it.
I find myself being drawn over to primarchs way of thinking and outlook more and more, and that is worrying as I dont want to be negative about this game. I like what has been done so far, I think that the rules are the strongest set yet, and I want people to know about them.
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primarch
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 3:48 pm |
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Hi!
All very good points.
I think it is important to state that one thing is the actual game, which is looking to be very good and another thing is the marketing aspect.
One pet peeve of mine (out of many), is what CS points out, this is NOT a NEW game. It is a new version of a pre-existing game. There are many negative views regarding epic due to the bad way it was handled before. IF this is isn't addressed then distrust will continue and potential players will turn a way.
I also point out that regardless of marketing (which is helpful) miniature gaming depends a lot on word of mouth. Every effort should be made so the "vibes" are positive.
As mentioned, people should "want" to play epic, a good solid system is only part of a games success, marketing and good image are other equally important aspects.
Treating it like another "18-month cycle" game is NOT the way to do it. People like to play games they know will be supported in the long run. Many, unfortunately, will remain on the side lines and assume a "wait and see" attitude. Epic cannot afford this again.
Unfortunately its all up to GW, as usual they will make or break their own system.
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 7:19 am |
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| Quote (primarch @ 22 2003 Oct.,15:48) | Unfortunately its all up to GW, as usual they will make or break their own system.
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Wanna bet which one it will be?
The "not promoting at all" sounds really strange to me. After all, how are they going to get NEW players into it? If all they get is the same group of people who played E40k or possibly even smaller group, it's going to be flop as surely as sun rises in the morning. 
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 11:13 am |
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Well, I stil have hopes for EA, and I believe that it certainly has the potential to do well. I feel that Jervis has done a fantastic job with it, producing a system which appeals toa number of people and getting players involved to stir up interest and guide the development.
However, I do think that he has a fight on his hands. He will need to push the game to get it the exposure that it badly needs. The best market will be relatively new players, who have not been disillusioned with previous systems. This means articles in WD, cool pictures and bargains to entice easy and cheap introduction. It means playing it in GW stores and events.
I guess that we should get involved as well. On the release, lets see how many games we can persuade GW stores to let us play... I would love to hear the reaction. If you try to get this organised, let me know which stores are sympathetic.
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 3:51 pm |
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| Quote (CyberShadow @ 23 2003 Oct.,11:13) | | I guess that we should get involved as well. On the release, lets see how many games we can persuade GW stores to let us play... I would love to hear the reaction. If you try to get this organised, let me know which stores are sympathetic. |
I plan to try this at my local GW.
I hope to have my Cityscape & a desert board made up by february, so I will literally be able to turn up with a game.
The more exposure the game can get, the better & if we can help with that, as people who love the system and/or models, I think we should
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Post subject: Space Marine Attack bikes - what use?! Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:30 pm |
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I also plan to try something. Don't have time for anything like properly organized promotional campaign, but at the very least (the store manager allowing, although the initial probe indicates a 80.6667% probability of success) I'll be playing some games in GW store, and if that is not possible, then in a local independent retailer.
As a matter of fact, starting tomorrow - I plan simply to turn up in the GW Helsinki store with opponent and the miniatures in tow and say, "We play. Epic. Now."... well, at least something to that effect .
The more we can arouse interest even before the game is launched, the better. If there are any other Finnish players interested in this kind of "hearts and minds"-campaing, or simply interested in playing, let me know.
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