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What is missing from the E-A rules?
Von Kempln	Post subject: What is missing from the E-A rules? Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 5:18 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu May 29, 2003 7:44 pm Posts: 12	Hello all, I'm new to Epic-Armageddon and I'd like to get all of your opinions on my Ork army list. I know that a 2,000 point army is a little on the small side. ? ? Uge warband w/Oddboy ? ? Big warband w/6 Nobz,5 Komandoes, Oddboy ? ? Kult of Speed (5 warbikes) ? ? Mekboy Stompa Mob w/2 Stompas ? ? Mekboy Gunzmob w/2 Big Gunz,Oddboy What do you think I need to add/take away? ? Any suggestions would be welcome. _________________ Know the righteous light of the divine Emperor.
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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: What is missing from the E-A rules? Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:58 am

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

I'm new to Epic-Armageddon and I'd like to get all of your opinions on my Ork army list. I know that a 2,000 point army is a little on the small side.    Uge warband w/Oddboy    Big warband w/6 Nobz,5 Komandoes, Oddboy    Kult of Speed (5 warbikes)    Mekboy Stompa Mob w/2 Stompas    Mekboy Gunzmob w/2 Big Gunz,Oddboy What do you think I need to add/take away?   Any suggestions would be welcome. Von Kempln, I like your list. It seems pretty solid just as it is. I think that it will need very little modification to win games for you. It seems to be a pretty balanced and flexible Ork army. You might want to specialize a little more. I personally like to always bring a Gargant as well. It frustrates the enemy to have a piece they probably can't destroy. Gargants also act as great shot absorbers. Here's my suggestion how to use your list: - Uge warband w/Oddboy: Use this unit as your anchor in the center and have it alternate a fast advance with defensive function on overwatch. - Big warband w/6 Nobz,5 Komandos, Oddboy: This should be an agressive unit that wants to close with the enemy. I would deploy it near the center, but have it take a mostly take a flank route to the enemy. - Kult of Speed (5 warbikes): This is you flanker unit and useful for taking objectives. Don't use it as a "stand and deliver" unit because it can't take punishment. - Mekboy Stompa Mob w/2 Stompas: This is another unit that should be used aggresively. Use it as a ready reserve behind the infantry line to have a ready CC unit.   - Mekboy Gunzmob w/2 Big Gunz,Oddboy: I use gunz defensively behind Ork foot warbands. The gunz really discourage close combat since they will take a big chunk out of a charging force if on overwatch. Expect enemy artillary to go after them like a mosquito around sugar. Best of luck and Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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nealhunt	Post subject: What is missing from the E-A rules? Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 4:49 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	>> Uge warband w/Oddboy Why the oddboy? ?Personally, I don't think upgrading a nobz stand is worth the points. >> ? Big warband w/6 Nobz,5 Komandoes, Oddboy Same. >> ? ?Kult of Speed (5 warbikes) Fine, but I prefer them larger, just in case. ?If you base your bikes 2 per stand in the old-fashined way, you will get a couple extra stands out of it. >> ? ?Mekboy Stompa Mob w/2 Stompas 5 Stompas is great. ?If you have a dread or two to drop out front, I think they help a lot. >> ? ?Mekboy Gunzmob w/2 Big Gunz,Oddboy More gunz! ? These are cheap, effective units. ?If you have enough boyz, I suggest adding 6 boyz/grotz to them in order to get the mob-up advantage and the grots to screen. ?Again, I think the Oddboy is questionable. ?A single 2BP attack is not that effective in most cases, but it's better than a Nobz upgrade. I like it also, especially the fact that everything except the bikez can garrison. =============== As far as other options: I might go for 3 infantry units instead of 2. ?2 Big Warbands (still 20 units each), and a warband with the extra nobz and Komandoes as the "elite" company would give you more flexibility while not giving up much staying power or mob-up ability. Stompas can be added to warbands, so you could do something like: Big Warband w/ nobz and kommandoes (assault) Big warband (flexible/assault) Warband w/ 1 or 2 stompas (a take and hold force) Stompas (3 or 4 is still enough to support other detachments) Bikez Gunz Adding sormboyz could also boost your Warbands if you want to go with 3 instead of 2. ?More than one stand will hurt your garrison ability so one per formation is probably best, but I'd rather have some extra boyz and bikez than the Oddboyz for the same points. In any case, not too shabby for 5 sprues of infantry. You might also check out the "New to Orks" thread for more general discussion of formations. http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomm....59;st=0 _________________ Neal
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Von Kempln	Post subject: What is missing from the E-A rules? Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:13 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu May 29, 2003 7:44 pm Posts: 12	Thanks everyone! I am in Jackson, MS and Epic advice is hard to come by. ? Most people, including myself, are loyal followers of Epic-40k. ? Old habits die hard. Right now I need to concentrate on getting my warbands painted. I'm trying to get a good color scheme for the Crooked Moon Tribe. A gamer's job is never done! _________________ Know the righteous light of the divine Emperor.
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nealhunt	Post subject: What is missing from the E-A rules? Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2003 8:32 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	Thread recycle: Maksim:  Have you been reading the playtest forum?  There's a long thread about how the Ork army list is too tough.   Basically, it revolves around the advantage that Orks can get by taking hordes of small formations.  All the extra activations gives them a lot of tactical flexibility and individual detachments are so small they are disposable. I was initially resistant to the idea and thought that the battle reports sounded as if the Ork opponents were just making mistakes.  However, when every single playtest comes up with the same results, it's hard to believe that's coincidence. I think the strategic flexibility must be a very strong point for the orks, but there seems to be something terribly un-Orky about it. _________________ Neal
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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: What is missing from the E-A rules? Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:52 am

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Neal, Maksim:  Have you been reading the playtest forum? There's a long thread about how the Ork army list is too tough. I glanced over this post, but don't recall it in great detail other than what you specified below. Basically, it revolves around the advantage that Orks can get by taking hordes of small formations.  All the extra activations gives them a lot of tactical flexibility and individual detachments are so small they are disposable. I was initially resistant to the idea and thought that the battle reports sounded as if the Ork opponents were just making mistakes.  However, when every single playtest comes up with the same results, it's hard to believe that's coincidence. I think the strategic flexibility must be a very strong point for the orks, but there seems to be something terribly un-Orky about it.

I haven't tried it yet, but i understand that it works pretty well.

I agree that it doesn't seem too terribly Orky, but with all the handicaps the Orks have recieved, it's sort of nice to see someone break the list and STILL have them win!  

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.