So. Following this idea: http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....y336022 and the following postings thought i open a thread of its own.
Discussion about the details of the relevant armylists will be continued in the relevant forums onits own and not here.

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Oh and it seems the Ruinous Powers bestowed me a vision. I have seen a planet wracked by civil war rife to be raced by the Red Corsairs alltogether in: Epic: Renegades

Only scetched the story up ion my mind.
So far i'm thinking of a planet named Heaven. its PDF is called the Heavenly Guard (or Choir?). It lies somewhat near the Maelstrom and is famed throughout the sector for its jewelry manufactured from some kind of crystalline plant life only native to Heaven. The crystals can also be processed into a effective combustible.
Well so the planetary populace is divided between very very rich crystal plantation owners and the poor workers who work there to harvest the crystals. Harvesting the crystals is a very dangerous process because some hefty vibrations will make the crystal tree fratcure in molekule thin shrapnels which happens to be the trees main means of reproduction. The somewhat frequend mild earthquakes Heaven is subject to adds to this (battles in a crystal forest might be very interesting and disruptive).
So the workers rebelled togehter with a large chunk of the PDF. Why and how i have yet to think about. And why the Red Corsairs become aware of them too. WHY the Red Corsairs want to be there is celar: crystals to power their equipment and slaves to work for them.

Lists included will be:
Red Corsairs Renegate Chapter Chaos Space Marines
Heavenly Guard/Choir Imperial Guard PDF
Rebels

The Heavenly Guard/Choir and Rebels will use the Vraks Renegate Militia army list (at least their special equipment like Malcadors and variants).

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Is Corps pronounced the same way as Choir in english?

I guess i will rename the planet to Heavenly. The Heavenly Corps/Choir will be based on Vraksian Rebels but with some unique twists (eg Heavenly Corps/Choir Seraphim = Stormtroopers with Jumppacks and Heavy Flamers).

Depending if i will let the planet be doomed or not i could add their saviours.
Either Salamanders (because this list is also nearly finished) or (fitting the theme) the Dark Angels (perhabs with a slight modification of the EpicUK armylist).

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Heavenly sounds better because of its captial city Heavenly Sphere and its starport Heavenly Harbour without changing the parent name.

Well in german Chor (german for Choir) is pronounced the same as Korps (german for Corps) which sounds like your "khorpse" without the "p"  
Ok then. I will stick to Choir instead i guess.

I wll continue to post ideas here. Feel free to interrupt me with your own ideas and coments

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Star System:

The planet could be alone or the moon of a blue gas giant (like Uranus or Neptune). The Maelstrom would be visible the same way as the Milky War but more colourful and with nebulas.
The planet itself (or the gas giant)has a ring system which is called the Rainbow Snake (or Ouroboros by the Rebels i will explain later) after a native animal which has some mystical connections to the planets original settlers.

The star system itselfe could be binary but isn't nessesary because the gas giant will be good enough for the effect i have in mind.

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The Planet:

The planet itself is a Deathworld which has only crystalline life forms which puzzles the Adeptus Biologis to no end because neither animaln or plant has something which can be clearly identified as a DNS. Also the distinction between animalandplant is rather difficult because there are animal looking life forms which are rooted to the spot and mobile life forms which look more like plants.

Animals vary in size, from the tiny insect like Diamond Bugs which lifes on the Splinter Trees to the gigantic floating Sky Whales which filtrate the air for spores.

Tenperature is temperate and the air is breathable but highly dangerous because it is full of microspcopic crystaline spores. Theses spores (or more precisely the reproduction cycle of the planets plant life)are the main cause why the planet is categorized as a Deathworld.
Inhaling the spores willcause similat effects as inhaling asbestos dust. Depending on concentration it can cause lung cancer in the long run or imediate internal bleeding if inhaled in high concentrations as micoscopic shards slice through the body's tissue causing a slow and painful death as the victim drowns in it's own blood.

Concentration of spores in the air is highest during and shortly after the season called "Shards".
This season starts if the planet alings itself beween the sun and the gas giant (or between the two suns of the binary system) and the resulting gravitic forces shake the planet through its core causing mild to heavy earthquakes.
The vibrations caused by the quakes let the plantlife (mainly the Shard Trees) resonate and, finally, shatter explosivley into myriad molecule thin shards. Eventually out of this shards new trees will grow.

Tzenative animals are relative immune to this effect. Either because ground dwelling ones have a diamont hard shell so that the shards won't harm them or live high in the sky and thus are build so etherically (like the Rainbow Snake which looks like a flying snake made out of soap bubbles with wings) that the spores will simply pass harmless through them.

As a side effect of being crytslline all life forms on the planet is colour less and transparent. Light will shine through all things and fragment it into all shades of the rainbow (usually on every day one can see beautiful rainbows caused by the deadly spores in the sky which fragment the light like raindrops) which gives the planet an almost heavenly allure (and thus his name).

More to come.

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I would choose a different name than Renegades, so that this supplement will not be confused with the Epic Space Marine supplement "Renegades".

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Hmm i don't think that this is really necessary.

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As I am interested in all things supplemental    I think it has good potential.  Here are my big questions though:

1. How much artwork can you glean from various sources to flush out the supplement?  
2. Will you have multiple painted armies of each type to photograph for datafaxes and other shots?
3. Who will be assisting you?
4. Will you be putting together modeling sections for people interested in creating the armies?
5. Will you be able to create a PDF and rebel army that differentiates itself from the other lists significantly enough?
6. Would this be a full blown supplement or would it be better suited as a mini-supplement that appears in a larger tome.  There appears to be plenty of ideas that fall into this category.  IMO Epic: Siege is the lower limit of what I think is the appropriate size for a supplement.

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BlackLegion has asked for my help previously in using a list that would have Malcadors etc in it, and I'm happy to lend my assistance in writing an army list.

No bones about it, this would have to be a big project.



Is there, however, room to mix it up a bit? How about a story with Chaos on the attack instead of being defensive?

I feel that defensive/turncoat Chaos has already been done recently with Vraks, so what if the Red Corsairs (who are known more for active attacks and raids rather than defensive wars) attack a loyal Imperial planet using millions of Traitor Guard allies (rather like the Blood Pact).

That gives scope for:

- A Red Corsairs list.

- A Chaos followers list, like the L&TD but more clearly 'Chaos Guard' like the Blood Pact, rather than full on L&TD. Able to summon only lesser and greater undivided Daemons like the Red Corsairs, rather than Marked Daemons. Maybe with Stalk Tanks!

- A non-siege Imperial PDF list. Possibily using Malcadors etc as Blacklegion wants them to.


That would give three lists each with a clear and unique style.

There could also be opportunities to broaden the scope of the conflict, and involve more forces, which could include:

- A Witchhunters list? (Fighting in the conflict to turn back the Heretic attack)
- A Daemonhunters list? (Fighting in the conflict to defeat the Daemons that are drawn to the war)
- An Elysian Drop Troops list? (Inducted into Inquisitorial service and brought to the planet by the Witchhunters)
- A loyalist Space Marine list, like the Salamanders?

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I think this is a great idea BL.

If you ever need assistance with grunt work and test readings, always happy to help.

Cheers..

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I'm in favour of this supplement, and may even be able to contribute pictures of painted units, vehicles, etc.

I'd like to echo E&C's ideas here, it seems to be the pattern for the Epic supplements to incorporate 3-4 Army lists, so I think the ones that accompany the Red Corsairs list need careful consideration.

Firstly, do we really need another Guard variant list?  If we're talking about Traitor Guard here, there may be scope.  It fits the background of the Badab war and its fall out that Imperial Guard formations did flee in to the Maelstrom with the Astral Claws/Red Corsairs.

I would suggest that such a force would retain some semblance of military organisation, coupled with a very strong adherance to Chaos worship.  So the Blood Pact example is a good lead, though this specific example doesn't fit.

So I would suggest thinking about a new Traitor Guard listm I have some ideas as relates tot he 40k Guard Codex, and will put them down here at a later time, if requested.

Secondly, similar to above, do we need another Space Marine Variant list?  Well, perhaps it's a case that there's a variant out there that could do with a home, and would fit with this.

If there isn't one that springs to mind, how about checking out Bell of Lost Soul's 'Badab War' book for reference, as it speaks of Space Marine Chapters that garrisson the Maelstrom after the end of the war.  There may be inspiration enough for another Marine list, or an existing one that might fit.

Unless... [whispers it]theres a Xenos list    that we can use..?

Just my thoughts, feel free to shoot them down!    

i would agree with the "yet another IG army list" but what else do we have? as far as the races that aren't in a book yet (tau, nids) they aren't ready. would be nice to see another eldar variant but probably wouldn't fit with the theme of this book.
i guess this means that BL and whoever else helps with this supplement have there work cut out for them trying to make an IG list that feels different from all the others.

In 40k it's always more Marines.

In Epic:A it's always more Guard

Funny how it works.

Sign me up among people who think that Epic: Badab War is a splendid idea by the way. I love me some Space Sharks

This sounds like a very good idea to me.

Okay, I can live with that; my question is, which one?

I actually think you could possibly put in another one of the Chaos Marine lists (e.g. World Eaters), if Black Legion was willing/able to expand the narrative he has in mind for this supplement...

Variant list against Chaos - Ulthwe me thinks would be a good idea.

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