Not sure who will be trawling the boards at this time on a Saturday night, but here goes!

I'm playing MoK tomorrow in a couple of games.  A small 1k game which I'm ready for, and then a larger 3k game.  I've never gone up to this size before.

I've put together this list and need you guys to point out any obvious poor choices!

Without further ado...

Gargant - 650pts
3 F-Bommers - 150pts
3 F-Bommers - 150pts
Big Warband - 350pts
Warband, Battle Fortress - 325pts
9 Stormboyz - 225pts
Big Blitz Brigade - 250pts
Big Blitz Brigade - 250pts
Blitz Brigade (flak) - 150pts
Stompamob (5 Stompas, 5 Killa Kans) - 500pts

Any pointers greatly appreciated!

Cheers

Reedar

I've only played once or twice with Orks but I've got a few points for you to consider (I'm sure Neal or other Orky grandmasters will correct me if I say anything wrong):

1) Join the two F-B formations into one, then you won't suffer much reduction in capability even if you lose a plane from flak.

2) Seriously consider mixing in some Oddboyz into those Blitz Brigades.

Cheers V,

I was unsure what to do with the FBs, I had kept them as 2 lots of 3 to increase my activation count.  Have to make a decision here...

I'm conciously not taking any oddboyz in this list because in the couple of games I have used them, they have let me down badly.  I'm going to experiment with greater numbers for this game.

No doubt by this time tomorrow I'll be wishing I had taken them!

Last minute advice! I would do two things (if you're aiming for a maximised tourney type list):

1: get rid of the killer kans
2: Get rid of the battlefortress

This gives you points to spend on those oh so crucial Oddboyz and perhaps even throw another formation in there too. Combining the FB's is sound advice. A Kult of speed is good value for it's speed.  Be wary when we play in a couple of hours9(!) that Blitz Brigades are really fragile.

That said the game's only a friendly play around and my list isn't exactly a tournament monster (though i am in practice for the london tourney) and your original list does look really fun to play; it's the sort of Ork list i used to write!

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Cheers for the advice guys.

This is the final list:

Gargant - 650pts
6 F-Bommers - 300pts
Big Warband - 350pts
Big Warband - 350pts
8 Stormboyz - 200pts
Big Blitz Brigade - 250pts
Big Blitz Brigade - 250pts
Blitz Brigade (flak) - 150pts
Stompamob (5 Stompas, 5 Killa Kans) - 500pts

I'm not questioning the advice re Oddboyz and Blitz Brigades, but think I need to use the above to understand properly why/how they need to be used.

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Bit of an odd sensation knowing it's going to be a painful lesson!

See you at 11 MoK.

Cheers

Reedar

So, how'd it go?

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Much fun was had by all; aircraft we're learnt easily, Darren is a top bloke and as turn 3 finished we declared a solid win to myself.

Being in tournament mode i NEARLY (i.e. we made the rolls and then decided that it would make for really a naff game) blew up the Gargant with the first two activations of the game (double with warlord then sustain with deathstrikes) butt reversed that decision to make things more interesting.  
After that the guard moved forward slowly striking out when the orks came too close followd up by a massive barney in the middle between the two War Engines; this resulted in the Gargant being promply dispatched; with luck an amusing picture of this will follow shortly...
I'll let Darren tell his side of the story otherwise!
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Evening all.  Bit of a late post as had to bolt from the game in GW with MoK straight to a 21st party...!

By Tiny-Tim | So, how'd it go?

"do it again"

Yep; and the store staff said they'd be happy to host us once more:-)

I'm off to cardiff mid way through next month but perhaps an evening of one weekend at the beggining at my place would be worthwhile?

Twas good to get people seeing epic again too :-)

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I disagree on both these points.

For the Stompas, a mix of different sized units is optimal.  The  small units soak BMs which would otherwise suppress a Stompa and they provide numbers for Mob Up bonuses, e.g. 3 BMs on 3 Kanz only suppresses 3 Big Shootas, while 3 BMs on 3 Stompas loses 9 Big Gun shots.  Lead with the Stompas so the low armor saves on the "bulk up" units do not cause additional BMs (which would defeat the purpose).

On the fortress, this is just about the only kind of list that can use them.  The problem with forts is when they are the only serious targets they are quite vulnerable.  They become fire magnets.  However, this list has a lot of other MW/TK targets - the Gargant with lots of DC and the Stompas with hard armor.  That should be a real tactical choice about where to channel those weapons.

Of course, with 2 Deathstrikes and a Warlord titan, you're pretty well set for hitting heavy targets but going into a blind tourney that Fortress should be in good shape against most opponents.

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Agreed. I found the kanz were ideal at keeping the Stompas operational. Although I tend to keep the stompas between two lines of kanz - both to soak up hits and suppressions. I'll have to experiment with having the stompas at the front next time.
I prefer a mix of dreads in there as well, but couldn't afford the points this time.

Didn't use the fortress so can't comment - might give one a try out at some point in the not too distant future...

When you compare the "points destroyed per hit" for putting the different walkers out front, it all comes out about the same.  4 AT hits is going to kill 70-75 points of units on average, whether that's 1 Stompa, 2 Dreads, or 3 Kanz.  However, killing 3 Kanz drops 3 BMs on the formation and loses 3 units (important for Mob Up totals and any assaults), while losing a Stompa only drops 1 BM on it.  Even counting the increased loss of firepower from a dead Stompa versus 3 Kanz, it's usually worth it to lead with the Stompas.

The only time you don't want to lead with the stompas is if the enemy is lining up a lot of MW/TK against the formation.  Then you want to shift the Kanz out front to be ablative.

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Cheers for that Neal.  I'm lining up another game with MoK at the mo, so will let you know how I get on.

I can handle the losing, provided I'm improving!  

Cheers

Reedar