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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:13 pm 
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One day, when I was bored, and not aware on any other epic inquisitorial armies in development, I wrote this army list for Inquisitorial forces in E:A.

Pretty straightforward; What are your thoughts on these rules.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:02 pm 
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Hey,

I had a quick skim, and from the gist of it, the ideas *seem* similar enough to what I've seen elsewhere. Unfortunately, elsewhere has been doing it for longer.  :down:

http://www.specialist-games.com/forum/t ... IC_ID=1447

Sorry.

Still, a good effort there!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:22 pm 
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Hmm... I looked through that list, and I gotta say; I don't like it.

The limited inductions puts me off. In my mind, an inquisitor would rely mostly on requisitioned troops, as the sororitas and grey knights aren't that many in number.

But oh well, as long as both versions aren't anywhere near 'official', to each his own I guess. :(8:

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:10 pm 
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To each his own indeed!  :;):

There are some other Inqusitorial lists out there too, Jaldon Crunchy-Frog has a Daemonhunters list he's working on although I haven't looked at in quite a while.

In defence of why there's only one ally allowed - obviously the reason it is done is for game balance. The list is huge, and difficult to balance as it is - allowing players to cherry-pick from every Imperial army is a recipe for disaster. It can also be very unrealistic - adding say Whirlwinds to IG infantry platoon-heavy army is just odd.

The only other option would have been to do as you have done and to severely limit the numbers and formations available. Obviously I like this one less or I would have done it too! However, I don't like the cherry-pick option (mixing and matching IG and SMs), and I prefer the idea that an Inquisitor is likely to have ONE branch of the military that he can draw resources from easiest. Of course an Inquisitor can theoretically requisition anything and everyone, but in practice one department can usually suffice (take the Eisenhorn trillogy - the assault on the Glaw household and Quixos' fortress used Inquisitorial and Naval forces primarily).

The Chamber Militant forces shouldn't have to be present - but they should also not be sidelined. There are plenty of examples of massed CM forces being deployed - the banishing of Angron (100 GK terminators) or the assault in the tetrascape in Xenos (60 Deathwatch), which would make for a reasonable core for an Epic army.

Anyway, if you want specific feedback on your list let me know, and feel free to comment on my list. A couple of things that piqued my interest:

Grey Knights in Rhinos?
Stormtroopers with initiative 1+?
Ordinatus?

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 12:09 am 
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In my list, the Ordos militant aren't absolutely necesary, but they do make life easier/more interesting, because it allows for the ordo units to be chosen.

Maybe my main reason for allowing almost all the points to be spent on non-inquisition forces is that there is only one real inquisition formation; the storm trooper formation.

I can see why you allow only one ally. My dissatisfaction came from having oly 1/3rd of the army to be spent on it. In my eyes, an inquisitor may just as well go in without storm troopers or ordos militant, but with his requisitioned marines or guard.

Some notes on your list:

-Death watch terminators? I'm no specialist, but I thought death watch had no terminators, preferring the versatality of the normal power armour?

-I think excorcists should be quite limited and powerful. They're at the very least more revered than dreadnoughts or land raiders, so I think five excorcists per formation is a lot.

-Aren't those inquisition fortresses and the basilica a bit oversized? Keeping them titan-sized (8 DC max + some shielding) would keep them a bit less OTT.

-I'm not sure where, but I read somewhere the =I= stormtroopers had their own sentinels. Might be worth it to add them.

On your notes:

Can't they have rhinos? I thought they could. If tjhis is illegal in 40K, I'll admit having made a mistake.

I would think the inquisitor's troops are quite disciplined, under the scrutinizing eyes of the inquisitor. On the other hand, the marines and guard are a bit less near to him, and so both have In 2+.

The ordinatus is to show the Inquisitor can get literally anything from the imperium. It's only the mars class he can get, but still quite a weapon. My list lacked other war engines, so it could do with one extra.

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:07 am 
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I can't remember why we put in DW termies, but a good reason would be hulk boarding.  Marines do it in tactical dreadnaught armour so maybe so would the DW.  Another reason would be to help them to go head to toe with some really big alien.

Finally we don't know how marines join the DW.  We know it is by ancient agreememnts but the exact agreements arn't know.  Some chapters could easily pick recruits at random saying that they will join the deathwatch in so many years.  It could be possible that they have joined the first company by then.  I have a Deathwatch dreadnaught in the background for one of my inquisitors based on this reason.

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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:20 pm 
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Quote (Frecus @ 01 May 2006 (19:09))

You can spend all your points on stormtroopers in my list too, if you should want...  :80:

The 1/3 is for balance, but also to make the army different. While in practice the inducted forces might well be vastly larger than the Inquisitorial ones, I wanted the list to be different to 'Imperial Guard (or SM) plus toys'!

DW Terminators. There's nothing in the background, but it is unlikely they don't have access - as Ragnarok says, for boarding actions, which are likely to be regular for the DW. But also because there's a DW shoulder pad in the new SM terminators sprue  :D . They are very limited in the list, though.

I'll have a look at the exorcists, but hey, this is the Inquisition. They're a good deal less rare than GK termis! You think they should have a smaller formation size?

The fortresses are massive. The Mobile Fortress is simply based on the Capitol Imperialis. The Basilica is just even bigger (here's a link to an excellent model made by Sotec: http://www.pbase.com/tepoc/image/56142353). So far I'm happy with each of the fortresses in playtesting, and they've been one of the most popular parts of the list.

I don't recall about sentinels, if you can dig that up I'd be interested... maybe as a formation upgrade?

In 40K GKs can't have Rhinos. However, Jaldon gave them Rhinos in his list, which was why I was interested.

Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are incredibly disciplined. However, so are regular stormtroopers. In 40K, the only difference is =I= storms can have some funky wargear but can't infiltrate/deep strike. I personally will keep them 2+ to differentiate them from Retinues, but it is interesting all the same...

The Ordinatus is funky, but they are so rare that there is a lot of debate whether they should be in the AMTL list. But I can see the logic there.

Thanks for the comments, by the way  :(8:

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:13 am 
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As far as I can remember GK's choose chimeras as their troop carrier, you would think the rhino would be better but there you go.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 9:36 am 
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Quote (Justiniel @ 03 May 2006 (09:13))
As far as I can remember GK's choose chimeras as their troop carrier, you would think the rhino would be better but there you go.

Of course they would chose Chimeras.  They can carry twelve men or 6 terminators! (codex deamon hunters).

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 12:32 pm 
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Could it be that some of the stats are taken from the 1k-Sons? Look at the Critical for the Reaver. Also, the Ordinatus seems mixed up with the stats of the Reaver. Sorry, but I still prefer the Version from Lord I, it is not so "sketchy" at first glance, but that might also be only subjective. :D

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 3:31 pm 
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As far as 40K is concerned, GKs can only choose LRs or LRCs as their transports. Rhinos and Chimeras are only for Stormtroopers and Retinues.

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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:40 pm 
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All right, you're onto me... The titans are traitor chaos titans. Meaning they've turned traitor on chaos and turned to the empire of course. :D

I was a bit lazy while making the file, and as warhound had more neutral criticals, I thought the reaver & warlord were the same too... Aw well, typing time is here again...

If someone can confirm the chimeras for the GK, I'll change that.
The rest of the file needs some clarifying and slight redesigns too, I admit. And, this was only my version 0.1, he's already over version 2.0! :blues:

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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 8:59 am 
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Certainly the older fluff had them in Chimeras though it seems that that is another change by GW if you take Lord I's post above into consideration.

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:49 am 
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In the current Codex Daemonhunters, Grey Knights, Grey Knight Terminators and Grey Knight Heros don't get any transport options, at all. They DO get the option to buy a separate Land Raider to carry them, or LRC. But they can't purchase Rhinos or Chimeras for themselves. On the other hand, virtually all of them can be teleported in any scenario.


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