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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations  Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:07 pm |
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Both have their pros and cons.
Stompas are faster and slightly tougher in the open (3 stompas take an average of 12 hits to kills, 10 big guns take 10 hits to kill).
10 big guns are slightly better in CC than 3 stompas, and much better in fire fights. In cover they are also tougher (being infantry they get 4+ cover saves)
There are also the upgrades for each formation to consider. Big guns can have oddboyz (much more firepower), nobz and battle\flak wagons (taking transports for big gunz solves their speed problem, but increases the points cost alot).
Stompa mobz can have supa stompas (awesome amount of firepower for 250 points), dreads and killa kans. Adding several dreads and killa kans can make them a very nasty CC formation, if you can get them there (15cm is rather slow for getting into CC, although you can garrison if you don't take a supa stompa).
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:21 pm |
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Hmmm, food for thought.
I must be missing something though, I can't find the rules on garrisoning.
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CrimsonFury
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:03 pm |
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Garrison rules are part of the GT scenario. You can find the garrison rules in section 6.1.5.
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:34 pm |
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Have those rules been taken out of the last revision? Because in my rulebook, it skips from 6.1.4 to 6.1.6.
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:34 pm |
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:57 pm |
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Crimson's analysis is pretty much on target.
Overall, I prefer the gunz. They are better in assaults and more durable in practice. They are rarely all engaged in CC (I've never actually seen it happen), so their assault offense is pretty much always better. They are usually in cover so they get armor saves, even against assaults. They are also cheaper in Big and Uge formations than stompas are.
Believe it or not, a horde of gunz double-moving across the board can rack up some significant kill numbers and threaten a pretty stout assault unless your opponent diverts significant firepower to stopping them.
The only thing stompas surpass them on is the MobUp bonuses. Gunz don't count as units to gain the bonuses, but they can have Nobz which help remove more BMs. It doesn't make up for it entirely, but it helps enough that I think the gunz are better.
Incidentally, all that goes double for adding to a warband (except price, obviously). MobUp becomes a non-issue, and no one will ever get in base contact with the gunz as long as there are boyz around them.
My personal opinion is that stompas should be ~65 points and supastompas should be ~300. Luckily, a stompamob + supastompa is pretty close to that in cost anyway, so it's not like it can be abused.
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:59 pm |
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| Quote (iblisdrax @ 12 2004 Feb.,16:34) | | Have those rules been taken out of the last revision? ?Because in my rulebook, it skips from 6.1.4 to 6.1.6. ? |
6.1.5 is there in my book. Maybe you're not looking in the right place? Page 125, the paragraph under the skull icon.
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:00 pm |
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Whoops, my mistake, I dont know what I was looking at. 
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 4:18 pm |
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Small point, doesn't the super-stompa suffer from a case of "sentinal syndrome"?
It's vulnerable to titankiller weapons and can't benefit from the projection of its formation. Battlefortresses suffer worse from this, but there can be more than one in a formation, thus spreading the hits.
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:13 am |
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Yes its vulnerable to TK weapons, but compared to other 250 point warengines its alot tougher.
eg compared to a warhound titan.
The warhound has 3DC, 5+ reinforced armour and 2 void sheilds. Thats takes an average of 8.6 hits to kill in one go (w/o giving it a chance to repair shields)
The supa-stompa has 4DC, 4+ reinforced armour and D3 shields (average of 2). That takes an average of 18 hits to kill.
On top of that supa stompa has better fire power too. And with a mega chopper it is quite nasty in CC for its points cost.
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:39 pm |
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Thats why it is supposed to be kinda rare. Athough I think that every Ork player that can get ahold of one, will have one. And I don't blame them. I'm just glad the Orky player in my group hasn't figured out how to build/proxy one yet. 
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:23 pm |
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Good sign? It has happened twice now, does this mean it is selling way above expectations or is it not supported enough? What do you reckon?
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Post subject: Space Marines dealing with large inf formations Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:50 pm |
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Jervis said in the playtesting forums the other day that sales were above expectations in the UK.
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). Since I plan to have lots of stompas and only 1 supa-stompa, I guess i'll be selling lots of supa-stompas on ebay