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Post subject: New to Chaos  Posted: Sun May 25, 2003 8:14 am |
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OK, one of the guys in our group has moved to the Dark Side and wants to play Chaos. We play between 2,000 and 3,000 points for the most part.
What is a good mix to own at this point if he wanted to play using the new EpicA list? We want to get him some stuff but do not want to spend money/time to find we have not gotten him a good mix for those point ranges we play.
Advise, opinions, army lists?
post here or email is good to :-)
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Sun May 25, 2003 2:36 pm |
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Dafrca,
I avoid chaos like the plague (odd analogy, no?), but I've heard that chaos particularly excels at close combat hordes. As long as you have a good CC horde then a chaos list ought to work well.
I know there are some threads at the E-A forums regarding this if you look.
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Sun May 25, 2003 4:25 pm |
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Currently the Chaos army's main strength is assault. That and assaults with daemons.
The army has a limited amount of long range fire but this can be rectified with Plague Towers and aircraft.
I's also make sure that the army had some of the specialised CSM formations. Primarily Bezerkers and Thousand Sons. The main reason for this is that they are larger formations and don't break as quickly.
So, what you want is
Marines
Daemons (and Greater Daemons)
Bezerkers
Thousand Sons
Plague Towers
Firelords
Doomwings
To add to this you'll want some Land Raiders to carry Terminators in your CSM Retinues.
If you can find it you might also want to sub out one of the Plague Towers for a Lord of Battle but only if you know your opponent is going to bring on smaller Titans as it then gets used as a way to keep the Wolfhounds and Reavers the heck away from your formations as they won't want to get into charge range of the Lord of Battles.
I'd avoid using Armoured Detachments in a smaller army. Add any Predators and Land Raiders you have to your Marine Retinues instead.
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Sun May 25, 2003 5:33 pm |
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I always support my CSMs with Land Raiders, Rhinos and Predators. ?
And as much long range fire power as that Patron's army can take within the parameters of the rules - Artifact weapons, etc. (SM1/2), then of course, Creatures of Chaos, Lesser Daemons, etc. ?
I have all the models, (we use the old Chaos Familiars for Greater Daemons, see them on EpiCollector), but we base our Chaos Forces around the SM1 "Battles"/SM2 Legion, rules. So Daemons and the like are limited to one or two detachments.
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dafrca
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 7:17 am |
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| Quote (pixelgeek @ 25 2003 May,08:25) | | I's also make sure that the army had some of the specialised CSM formations. Primarily Bezerkers and Thousand Sons. The main reason for this is that they are larger formations and don't break as quickly. |
OK, I have enough Marines and Chaos Marines to give him a few of these.
| Quote (pixelgeek @ 25 2003 May,08:25) |
If you can find it you might also want to sub out one of the Plague Towers for a Lord of Battle... |
Funny thing is, I have two Lords of Battle to give him and no Plague Towers :-)
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 7:22 am |
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Thanks Guys.
Another question:
I posted this on the playtest as well, but I could not find a "play as" list for Chaos. Has there been one put out yet?
If not, what would you use the Cannon of Khorne, Deathdealer, Tower of Skulls, or Brass Scorpion as?
Thanks
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 6:51 pm |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 25 2003 May,23:22) | | If not, what would you use the Cannon of Khorne, Deathdealer, Tower of Skulls, or Brass Scorpion as? |
My understanding is that some of these units will reappear in the next iteration of the Chaos army list.
Until then I'd use them as Land Raiders. There really isn't anything in the current list that they represent.
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 9:52 pm |
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That's a similar take on it as I understand it.
Even though there are equivalent lists (Section 8 for OOP equipment equivalents) for IG & Orks in the E-A downloads, I imagine in the future that there will be something like that for Chaos and the other armies as well. ?
- I think that the Cannons of Khorne & Doom Blasters would be = a Bombard (?). ?
- And the other Chaos Engines that you mentioned would be equal to some Ork vehicles because of they're close combat stats. ?
- Most of the Chaos models have scythes, claws, etc., as do the Orks with rollers, rams, etc. ?
- So say a Guntruk/wagon, Battle Fortress, etc. stats, might work? ?
That is what we may do. And a sidebar- all those Chaos vehicles you mentioned and all the others that were produced are available from G/W US  , I just ordered them for Darkone. ?
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 4:05 pm |
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dafrca: Made a judgement call yet? I'm curious as to what you decide.
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 5:54 pm |
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The latest playtest list is in the vault. It's a big change, so you might want to check it out if you haven't.
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 6:00 pm |
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Can you give us a brief overview or preview ? 
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:24 pm |
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Cultists are out. ?They will have their own list with The Lost and The Damned (which frees up a bunch of figures to go back to my guard ).
Chaos Marines are now bought as a company of 12 stands, and they are cheaper by a significant margin.
Armor is 6 preds, with an upgrade for 4 more Land Raiders.
Aircraft is basically Imperial, with 3 per detachment.
War engines are TBA. ?One will be a Baneblade+ which Jervis thinks should be WWI/Victorian style. ?The other might be some sort of large wheel contraption, a la a Victorian scifi/gothic version of the Skaven Doomwheel. ?It's a pretty radical departure from his previous anti-chaos engine stance.
Summoning is toned down.
It's organized like the SM and IG lists - a table of company selections, then a table of upgrades.
Overall, I think it's a step forward.
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 2:48 am |
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I like the sound of the changes, except for the loss of the cultists. ?I suppose its the same as the IG's loss of Hive Militia and as long as they do come back later I'll be happy
If anyone is having trouble finding it (as I did), you may wish to check the "new" EA vault:
http://www.specialist-games.com/epic40k ... secure.asp
Quite when the change occurred I'm not sure, but you'll find it there, not at the old one with the GW URL
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 4:43 am |
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Thanks Neal & Tas ! I'm going to have to check it out ... so it sounds like more new models for E-A ?
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Post subject: New to Chaos Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:49 am |
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These new Chaos war engines sound pretty cool, I just hope they look a bit better than some of the older ones, like the Khorne stuff, though the Nurgle Plauge Tower is still superb IMO...
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