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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A?  Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:02 am |
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The size thing really isn't a problem for me ... but it is obvious.
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:26 am |
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2003 2:18 pm |
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Hi!
I think if you play epic in any of its forms the variance in size through the years is quite obvious, but not wholly annoying. The epic line has not been noted noted for its adherence to scale (old knight-sized demons and chaos primarchs), while sometimes they do look "funny" next to each other, its never been a huge point of contention.
Actually on the netepic list we just came up with stats for the different size models of the same unit, quite fun actually.
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:21 pm |
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| Quote (Tas @ 05 2003 Sep.,00:27) | That sure is nice terrain, Jimbo...
- Do you have a "How I made my terrain" section on your website?
I had a look but couldn't seem to find one... |
I have written an article, but it isn't on my site!
You can find my article at
Making Scenery
haven't had a chance to add it to my site yet.
I got lost in there!  |
well it is quite big, even I get lost in there sometimes...
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:27 pm |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 05 2003 Sep.,05:02) | | The size thing really isn't a problem for me ... but it is obvious. |
I have an article on my website
Bigger and Meaner - Alternative Rules for the Forgeworld BaneBlade Models
The resin model of the Imperial BaneBlade is quite a bit bigger than its metal cousin. The standard rules indicate that you treat them the same and give them the same stats. One possible option we have tried and works is to give them six damage points. Apart from that they are treated the same as their metal brethren. Points wise, we actually left them at 110 points as they are in our opinion overpriced anyway.
http://www.felixent.f9.co.uk/epic40k_rules_01.html
Another option is to use the 360 rule...
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:44 am |
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Hi!
That's a similar approach we used in the netepic revision. Instead of replacing older versions we either created a "upgraded" version or a "variant" in the same category.
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:28 am |
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| Quote (primarch @ 08 2003 Sep.,11:44) | Hi!
That's a similar approach we used in the netepic revision. Instead of replacing older versions we either created a "upgraded" version or a "variant" in the same category.
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Intriguing...some examples to hand perhaps?
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:54 am |
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Rule 360 is a good idea, Jimbo. I like that concept. I'm a big SM1 fan, but E40K proved to me that the Firepower system can work.
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:44 pm |
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Hi!
For example there is the older larger Tyranid Hive tyrant and carnifex and the newer "smaller" ones. We made the larger tyrant a "tyrant" queen who is more powerful than the smaller hive tyrant.
Same with the Carnifex, the larger one is now a "super-dreadnought" more in keeping with a knight class unit.
In the eldar list the old tempest remains as is and the new tempest model (Cobra?) is a variant tempest with more firepower.
Those are what I remember off the top of my head, once the revision is done I'll see how many more were done.
It was a good compromise to keep all miniatures "valid" in epic.
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:53 pm |
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We did the same with the Big Carnifex and small Carnifex plus others as well. We loathed the 40K scale Primarchs & G/Deamons, that they were passing off as Epic ! Those were just too over the top for us. More G/W skullduggery ... like I said, sometimes they look like they don't know what they are doing ! 
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:52 pm |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 08 2003 Sep.,05:54) | | Rule 360 is a good idea, Jimbo. I like that concept. |
We also use the rule with Ork Battlefortresses.
You can imagine an Ork Battlefortress with FP 24 and a maximum range of 15cm bristling with Boyz and Ork Gunners but no Heavy Weapons.
Or imagine a specialised Battlefortress armed with a long range weapon - a range of 90cm and a FP of 4.
Another perspective on the 360 rule is that you could split a Super Heavy Tank into two lots of 180, therefore using my Ork example, you would have two weapon systems one of FP 12 at 15cm and one FP 2 with a range of 90cm.
I'm a big SM1 fan, but E40K proved to me that the Firepower system can work. |
I do also like the FP system of Epic40k.
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:49 am |
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Yes, I like that concept, and it certainly make things flow better in a fairly large game. Add activation and I think those are two mechanisms that will make a very playable game ...
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:16 pm |
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I was thinking that the new-ish Forgeworld gunwagons could be used as Battlefortress. Does anyone know the size of the Forgeworld gunwagons against the old Skullhamma model? I was banking on Forgeworld's tendency to "go big".
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:33 pm |
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I've only seen the W40K one in real life and not the epic version but I don't think it'd really be big enough to look right as a Battlefortress...
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Post subject: Which IG units are you building for E-A? Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:13 pm |
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I got some a while back.
I'm afraid they come in too small (IMHO). They're just a tiny fraction longer than the old Bowl Burna model (first that came to hand to compare!). They're certainly noticably smaller than the Battlefortress'
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