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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:32 am 
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Hi!

Its all good, even when we disagree, conversations on these boards are pretty tame.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:51 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:35 pm 
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...and to bring this thread back on Topic...

I voted for Daemonhunters.

They can have some really nice kit in the 40K Codex (and ForgeWorld stuff) such as Thunderhawks, Valkyries, etc... however as an Inquisitor could in theory access any IG or SM kit they could have BaneBlades and other tanks as well.

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@Jimbo - So did I! Plus because it will only require a couple of models it shouldn't take too long to do and could be slotted into the release schedule.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:56 pm 
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I agree that Daemonhunters would be really cool. However isn't there a danger that an inquisitor drawing his forces from both SM and IG could be used for "cherry picking" as described in another thread?
The way that could be countered would be to restrict the Inquisitor to only be allowed to pick from one army list. Then the Inquisitor would only really be an additional formation to add to one of the existing armies. (nice as the Daemonhunters could then easily be published as a Fanatic Mag article - kindda like the Speed Freeks)

The Grey Knights are slightly more complicated. As they are allowed to use most units from the SM list there should still be a limitation to the number of Grey Knight Squads to be used with an IG army as it would be all to easy to have Grey Knight infantry w lotsa Russes as armoured support (pretty groovy though :cool: ) Grey Knights and ordinary SM would be no problems though.

I don't know about a pure Grey Knight army i Epic... As I recall the greatest deployment of them ever was during the 1st Armageddon when Angron decided to pop by. Even then i don't think that it was more than a single company of Grey Knights. :O  Can't remember exactly... Anyway the way I see Daemonhunters is more like the way they were represented in SM2 - as a single specialized detatchment to go with the rest of the Imperial Army. ...Maybe I'm just too conservative though :;):

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Daemonhunters should have there own list - no cherry picking! They should have access to Rhinos, Stormtroopers and Valkries, Grey Knights, Marine infantry but no IG Arty or Tanks and none of the specialised marine stuff.

In a way they are an elite force.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:24 pm 
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Has anyone had a go at a Daemonhunters Force List in Epic:A yet? I would like to have a look at one, it seem like a really cool force!

Plus I voted for them as well!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:34 pm 
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http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic ... emonhunter

Not exactly an entire army list but some very interesting stuff there.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:38 pm 
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Thought it might be eaiser to turn it into a link...

Daemonhunters

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my method would be to allow the Inquisitor anything... however everything is double points!

So a 3000pt Ork army would be against the equivalent 1500pt Inquisitor army.

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Interesting lists ... I Hope G/W does an offical version. ?We use a "hybrid" concept, for this type of unit. ?We have an =][= stand + Rhino based on an old CJ article. The stand has a Termie, SM officer, SM SGT, IG gunner & IG standard barer. ?An eclectic mix, based on fluff. ?And like SM2 Special Troops, they my be fielded 0-1 per Bn (we also have Traitor =][=s !). ?We use Gray Knight Terminators too, 4 Fire Teams (stands) per unit, 0-1 per Battle Force and may only be purchased if fighting Chaos or 'Nids ! ?Again, based on SM2 and the old fluff. ?It works and is kind of Cool ! ?But, I would like to see SoBs thrown in there somehow ... :L

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Hi!

Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list? Discussions like this are very frequent on the net epic list. One particularly long one was regarding tech guard. The compromise was to keep them separate but in the same book with the rest of the Imperials.

Just a thought.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:49 pm 
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But, I would like to see SoBs thrown in there somehow ...


Not a bad idea. Since the SoB uses many of the same veichles the SMs do this should prove no big problem. However they would require an entire new range of infantry (I wonder what epic scale boobs look like :blush: ...sorry!) which is pretty expensive and probably won't happen until many of the other races has been produced (oh my god, I'll probably have children by then :O ).

I'm biased on this:
On one hand the Daemonhunters could be done rather inexpensively and thus easily be squeezed into the schedule.
On the other hand: to add more substance to a Daemonhunter list it would be quite appropriate to include the Adeptus Sororitas... but this would probably push back the release of the range somewhat...

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Quote (primarch @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:43)
Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list?

Depends on what you mean by an army list.

The Inquisitor/Daemonhunters list I am working on has very little in terms of new units and rules but its mostly structural restrictions for building an Imperial army lead by an Inquisitor with Grey Knight support formations.

One of the key elements of EpicA is that Jervis is intending to create a large number of army lists based on structural restrictions that give the army a different play experience.

So an "army" like Daemonhunters is quite possible in EpicA because you can modify the base structure of the force without having to actuaally do any modifications to the consituent units that make the army up.

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Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:49)
Since the SoB uses many of the same veichles the SMs do this should prove no big problem.

Other than issues with the background.  I don't think it would fit in to have SoB units running around with Inquisitors.

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