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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 1:08 pm 
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..Come on guys, less of the doom & gloom...

A link to what Jervis said...http://www.netepic.org/INCOMIN....&sid=18
Personally I think a combined magazine would be great, since I've basically stopped playing 40k and don't play fantasy.. I'd definitely buy it to get Necromunda, BFG and Epic rules and info, especially if it is going to be in full colour! :)
I'd guess if it were made in WD size that there would also actually be more room to fit articles into as each one would be around 90-odd pages...

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:30 pm 
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Quote (primarch @ 21 2003 Oct.,00:22)
There's been a lot of "getting rid of" lately and not enough "going to add" to epic.

So much for support.... :{

For a man who wants new models, You should be quite pleased with the selection they have under way for the first release - Dont know what I can say so I will resist the temptation, but suffice to say that there is some good stuff coming (and nicely painted too :cool: )

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Umm.... I think it is a great thing, we get a brand new, full colour magazine supporting all the specialist games. Sod White Dwarf, why bother buying it, I have Fanatic mag now.... it's my hero.... (or something like that).

General vibe is though, that it is a good thing.

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Hehe- precisly Tom... Can't wait..
Colour pictures will do a lot for it I think- modelling articles were okay in the old Epic/BFG etc Mags, but due to there only being 2 colour pages on the inside cover, it made it a little difficult to tell what was going on in some of them...

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Quote (stormseer @ 21 2003 Oct.,17:54)
Hehe- precisly Tom... Can't wait..
Colour pictures will do a lot for it I think- modelling articles were okay in the old Epic/BFG etc Mags, but due to there only being 2 colour pages on the inside cover, it made it a little difficult to tell what was going on in some of them...

Have to agree on the main point - I'd like to see one "Specialist" mag.

Especially as it would mean colour. Like 'Seer said, modelling articles expecially would be so much better. A painting article without pictures is useless (IMHO, at least to show the finished article), but one with B&W photos is just frustrating!

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My grip has to do with that I really dislike having "epic" diluted with other games in one mag. I DONT play anything else, I dont really CARE about their other games. I want a mag that ALL epic, like it used to be.

The obvious problem with a combined mag is how is coverage determined? Sure epic might get more articles at the beginning, but what about later?

Call me grumpy, but I dont like it.

As for the minis release schedule its all good....for now, I wont be happy until I see chaos, necron and Tau out...

...so I'll be grumpy for a couple of years at least....  :;):

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Well I'm all for a Fanatic or
Specialist Games Mag ! :D  Just so I get my 6 issues ! }:)  And thanks for the intell T/S !  Sounds like some good stuff is coming our way !  :)

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My grip has to do with that I really dislike having "epic" diluted with other games in one mag. I DONT play anything else, I dont really CARE about their other games. I want a mag that ALL epic, like it used to be.

The obvious problem with a combined mag is how is coverage determined? Sure epic might get more articles at the beginning, but what about later?

I hate to be grumpy as well, but I also worry. When LoTR was added to WD there were problems as people who did not collect it felt that they were paying for something that they dont want. How much will a magazine that encompasses all Specialist Games be? How much are people willing to pay for 1/5 of that magazine. And what happens when the popularity of something like Inquisitor or Warmaster leads to lots more submissions for those games. GW would be foolish to ignore the majority of readers, who may not want Epic (fools!).

Also, didnt they just recently stop the Citadel Journal, aftger splintering the various mags for the games off of it? We seem to be going round in circles and we only have individual mags because the combined did not work (apparently).

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There is a flipside too, all the people playing the other games will suddenly be exposed to EPIC and we get more converts.

And Primarch, I reckon you would love the warmaster articles ;). It is a class game system.

Cybershadow - BFG and EPIC will both be in there, so there will be a cost saving for you, no need for two seperate mags.

As for the popularity of the game systems, 40k is much more popular than fantasy - but they get equal exposure, end of the day... I need colour, we aren't going to get much White Dwarf support so we need a quality advertising vehicle to get converts, the system needs new blood to buy minis, otherwise it will stagnate and die.

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Hi!

I echo CS's thoughts. A combined magazine will reflect whatever is most popular or making then more money, as it should, but it also means if epic isn't AS popular or manking money you'll see less and less stuff for it. I just see a lot of "last minute" changes and dubious calls on GW/Fanatics part that contrast with the "promises" of support when Epic A kicked off. I think, unfortunately, that Jervis has finally been confronted by the "bean counters" and given guidelines as to what is possible and what is not as to resource allocation for epic.

Thus we fall in to the well known vicious cycle of "you get back what you put into a project".

Yes, I have always liked warmaster, I have the books and magazines, but with no players in sight I doubt I'll ever get into it.

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I agree that I will need to only get one mag instead of the two that I (would usually) get. But, I am not sure that all people will jump on with this. I think that it would make more sense to have two magazines - one for Gothic, Inquisitor, Necromunda and Epic, and one for Warmaster, Mordheim and Blood Bowl.

Let me put it this way. WD is now going up to ?4 in the UK. For WD for a year that works out at ?48 (although there are annual subscription discounts, I dont see that Specialist Games can offer these). My year of Gothic costs me a quarter of that. So, even though I save by having two mages in one, I pay twice the price (assuming that the mag is equivalent in price and size to WD).

We do need more people to be exposed to Epic and to play it, and I am glad that this idea is being thought about and considered, but I dont feel that it is necessarily the positive step for Epic that it could be for something like Blood Bowl.

In the end, I fear that a move such as this will actually reduce the number of players and Epic will be seen as the poor cousin of the other Specialist Games range. If you edit the 'general' mag and you know that Epic has a lot less players and readers, and you have a lot less articles for Epic, would you keep the various sections equal in content and page numbers? If you did, GW would hand you your P45.

I simply dont understand the logic of having the Journal, splintering off the mags from that, ending the original and then recombining the various mags into a single publication.

Still, this rumour came up about a year ago, and nothing came of it then. I dont want sound negative, but I just dont think that this is a good idea for Epic (or even for Gothic really).

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I can see the benefit for GW though. Less publications mean less cost to them, which without outside advertisement makes the GW magazines a burden for them financially.

Add to this epic's poor sales performance and no guarantee of future success, I can see why they wish to combine them.

But, as I have said countless time, GW is unrealistic in trying to get great sales without great support. One goes with the other.

Perception is key for the potential consumer. Will I play a game that lacks the support of 40k or fantasy? Perhaps. Will it generate long term epic players? Unlikely.

Epic has gone from core game to forgotten game. A reputation that is hard to shake. Taking away its own magazine doesn't give it better stature in my view.

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Yes, I have always liked warmaster, I have the books and magazines, but with no players in sight I doubt I'll ever get into it.

Primarch

I hope you are not thinking this is good enough excuse not to comment my Chaos Dwarf list... :p  :;):

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No I wont give you excuses, but it does have to get in line with my ever increasing queue of "thing to do".  :D

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Hey, now that the interview is published, can we boot this thread?

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