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Two Q's from the tournament scene

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:06 am 
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No. If you're not happy to abide by a ruling on toy soldiers, that's your problem.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:08 am 
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Dobbsy wrote:
I don't see you or anyone else for that matter (apart from Floppy) stepping up to run anything.


That is so unfair. I have offerred a lot of help to you and Leannonruss (when he finally runs one) and Fortis if he ever get's off his butt. So please don't take this to a level it does not deserve.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:11 am 
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No. If you're not happy to abide by a ruling on toy soldiers, that's your problem.

even if it is wrong?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:16 am 
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Dobbsy wrote:
I don't see you or anyone else for that matter (apart from Floppy) stepping up to run anything.


That is so unfair. I have offerred a lot of help to you and Leannonruss (when he finally runs one) and Fortis if he ever get's off his butt. So please don't take this to a level it does not deserve.

Have you ever gotten off your own backside to run one though? Until you do and recognise that you will make mistakes, don't slag off at me.

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even if it is wrong?

It wasn't wrong. I used the RAW. Can you point out where in the rule about Blitz objectives it says marked from a point on the table edge?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:20 am 
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Have you ever gotten off your own backside to run one though?.

Epic - no
Other things (bloodbowl, 40K) - yes.
I am no stranger to running events. you yourself would remember DWARFcon.

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Until you do and recognise that you will make mistakes, don't slag off at me.

This changes nothing. The help is there if you ever need it. My interest is in building the Epic community, not in dividing it.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:23 am 
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Until you do and recognise that you will make mistakes, don't slag off at me.

This changes nothing. The help is there if you ever need it. My interest is in building the Epic community, not in dividing it.

You're doing a bang-up job of it too. Thanks for bringing us closer together with your insulting offerings.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:53 am 
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I offer to help - I am ignored
I support the event and find things wrong
At the event my words are ignored
I give feedback and I find hostility

What do you expect Dobbsy? If you ignore the help, be prepared for the feedback

Stop crying innocent

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:22 am 
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Wow! Just, wow! Staggering really... here's a ladder.. get over yourself.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:27 am 
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Can I call "Rancor" here and have this crap shut down? Anyone..?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:49 am 
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Did I say it meant nothing to me...? No. I view it as a minimal effect

Take it.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:54 am 
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FB, you repeatedly claim that dobbsy's (and coincidently mine) interpretation is wrong.
You are actually in error there and I wish you would accept that. No where in the rules anywhere, does it say that you measure from the table edge. It is not in the rule book.

You are making some good points about making sure that TO's try to address all these issues in the players pack. I did this for our 1 day event in October (I wish I could claim that I did this on urpose but it was just a couple of snetences I threw in there to help new players). I simply stated that to claim/contest an objective, you must be within 15cm of the middle of the objective.

There is nothing else to discuss here. Just because a bunch of players overseas play a certain way, does not make it right. In fact it is they that are adding rules to the rule book (maybe with good intention but with little to no effect on games in general).

I will not post agin in this thread because it simply is not an issue worthy of the further discussion.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:58 am 
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That's fine Onyx

Just note that if we ever play, my Blitz objective will be no larger than the top of a small pin head :D

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:05 am 
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Oh and BTW E&C, "best Epic player in the world" should perhaps read "best Epic player in the UK...." at the very least, as the UK isn't the world and you have no way of accurately confirming that statement.

"Best Epic player in Europe" would probably be more accurate, considering who's won the European GT's, and who's beaten them. 8)

FYI, just the UK tournaments have seen IIRC 85 different players in the last 3 years.

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I'm in agreement with Onyx and also I don't see garrisoning off the Blitz very often either.

I see it very often, indeed some armies will almost always want to garrison off their Blitz.

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FB, you repeatedly claim that dobbsy's (and coincidently mine) interpretation is wrong.

Here's the fact: From a purely technical RAW sense, nobody is wrong.

It just so happens that the greater majority of players "clarify" the objective rules to "measure from the centre" and "measure from the board edge point nearest the centre"...

...but that does not preclude other (Undeniably very slightly less fair and balanced) methods being used. If ya'll want to use whole 30cm x 30cm buildings as objectives, you can. There are no rules on objective sizes, and no rules that say it can't be a whole piece of actual terrain (Indeed the rulebook actually suggests this as a fun thing to do)...

...but again, undeniably, the "discrete point" convention is more balanced, which is generally regarded as being a more level playing field for games played under tournament conditions, as other styles of objective use can be meta-gamed, in either direction (Small or big objectives can provide advantages if you build your army list to work with the objective markers you have created).

Ultimately this is a ruling to be left up to tournament organisers, should be discussed in the opening 5 minutes if you don't have a universally known convention in use (As we do here in the UK).

I would, of course, suggest using the "discrete points" methods in tournaments, but as always, DWWFY.

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[Stat hat on]83 players since 2006 have played at one or more tournaments in the UK.[stat hat off]


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:29 pm 
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RAW:
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In the case of a tie or any situation where the rules allow both players to do something at the same time, the player with the next birthday gets to go first unless the rules specifically say
otherwise.


Common sense would say we adopt a rule that does not discriminate dependant on the time of year a game is held. The same is said for objective sizes. RAW is a fallible arguement.

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