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Legion 4	Post subject: Titan and W.E. pictures. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:53 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Good history lesson Gandalf, that's pretty much the way I remember it.  As for rules, well you read my post about a "hybrid system" ... the Rebellion continues ... _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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stormseer	Post subject: Titan and W.E. pictures. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 2:15 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 9:52 pm Posts: 4598 Location: Suffolk, UK.	Didn't you mean to scream out "NO- It's my Intellectual Property??" Or am I getting you confused with a different Company... Hehe, nice one Tas..... _________________ www.darkrealmminiatures.com

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Gandalf the Grey	Post subject: Titan and W.E. pictures. Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 6:14 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2003 4:23 pm Posts: 789 Location: Tampa, Florida	Hi Guys, I've been out of the loop for a bit, but I thought about something and I wanted to post it as it is kind of related to this thread. I know we all have our preferences on which of the Epic gaming systems we like the best but. . . I spent the weekend cleaning out and organizing all my gaming stuff, and I even went out of the way to rip out all the important articles out of my old white dwarfs and binded them by the system they were for.  In a sense I made a bible for Adeptus Titanicus, Epic 40k, etc.  Anyway, it got me thinking about if I had to part with all but one, which one would I keep, and to kind of my surprise I decided Epic 40k would be the best going forward. I know you guys are not going to agree with me, but Epic40k kind of sneaked up on me awhile back, and after re-reading many of my articles for Adeptus Titanicus and Epic Space Marine, Epic 40k is just easier to collect for. I know the rules make everything feel generic, but it does play the fastest, while teaching my friends the abstract assualt and firepower rules is a pain in the ass.   However, as easy as SM/TL is to set up and play, it doesn't feel much like a wargame and, well, as much as I thought I loved AT/SM, I seems pointless to continue collecting minis for. Everything I have for Epic 40k, minus the minis, fits in the box set, including all the Epic Magazines, cards, etc etc.  All my minis fit in the boxes for the sprues, like the Ork Warband. That is impossible for SM/TL, and much of what I've got for AT/SM seems outdated and almost silly. I have jumped back and forth on my favorite system before, I guess depending on the mood I was in, but to be honest, Epic 40k will be just as a good game ten years from now as it is now.  Everything from it's presentation, the minis, the simple rules, etc does make it an interesting game, although I will also admit that I am not sure I can call it 'Epic' since it just doesn't feel like the originals. The fact that I can take any Ork vehicle, whether it be a Gutrippa, Bonebreaka, or Gobsmasha, and refer to it as an Ork Battlewagon is actually pretty awesome.  It doesn't require specific rules, and allows me to use new minis GW releases in the future without worrying if I have the stats right. While it is a pain to set up if you are unprepared, the rules for designing your own attachments is actually rewarding, and I only have a few bits and pieces I'd change.   I thing I liked all the Epic games for their time, but there is just something about Epic 40k and how quick it plays that makes it more rewarding.  It definately takes out the micro-managing and gives u a chance to look at the big picture. _________________ Please check out my website: http://www.system17.com
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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: Titan and W.E. pictures. Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 12:12 am

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Gandalf, I know you guys are not going to agree with me, but Epic40k kind of sneaked up on me awhile back, and after re-reading many of my articles for Adeptus Titanicus and Epic Space Marine, Epic 40k is just easier to collect for. I definitely agree with you here. E40k is the easiest to collect for since it's by far the most flexible sytem for collecting minis. You never have an "odd man out" with E40k. I still like SM-2/TL better because the fluff was so rich. The game did bog down after awhile with all of the special rules, but I prefer it moving lifeless chits with little to no variety. I'd be playing my bookcase Avalon Hills games if that's what I wanted. The fact that I can take any Ork vehicle, whether it be a Gutrippa, Bonebreaka, or Gobsmasha, and refer to it as an Ork Battlewagon is actually pretty awesome. It doesn't require specific rules, and allows me to use new minis GW releases in the future without worrying if I have the stats right.

I didn't like this aspect of E40k because Once the sytem is boiled down to generic stats, the units lose their "fluff" flavour. In the Ork's case, Ork fluff makes them happen for me. Having a whole pile of cool different-looking models simplified to one set of stats makes the game droll for me.

I like the idea about the stats being flexible in the future.

However, wouldn't it just be better to keep the variety of units in the game?

Having Pulsa Rockits and Big Gunz boiled down to one category is a grave injustice to the Orks!  

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.