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Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers?
MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 6:10 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Tas, How about the simple method of sticking a Leman Russ turrret onto a Chimera Chassis?   Of course I can't get hold of any (reasonably priced) Chimeras to outfit my Steel Legion units with never mind turning them into Defenders, but that could be a quick, simply and fluffy friendly method of making them! - Tas Thanks for the good advice. I have an idea in my mind that the Chimera - Defender chassis mounts a quad-barrelled Rapier in the hull along with the standard Chimera multilaser turret. Trying to get the four barrels of a Rapier on a Chimera's hull is a real pain! Shalom, Maksim. P.S. I updated some of Legion-4's old proxy suggestions with hyperlinks to the items he suggests. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:01 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Now that I've sent out photos of the Scotia 6mm proxies that I've built three E-A IG companies out of, who's got an idea which IG companies would look good using those proxies? These were the Aramgeddon IG units that I was interested in building. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Right now, I'm leaning towards Jopallis, Noctans, or Zouvans. --------------------------------- IG: - Arm. Ash Waste Militia - I really want to build Hive Gangers / Milita. - Arm. Command Guard - I guess like a few others, I'm planning to use this formation as a n excuse to bring a Leviathan. - Arm. Hive Militia - I really want to build Hive Gangers / Milita. - Arm. Steel Legion - They're featured and mechanized infantry is cool. I'm probably going to group Superheavies here as well. - Arphista Penal Legion - i haven't figured out which figures to use for them, but I loved the old penal legions. - Asgardian Rangers - I'm going to use some of the odder cavalry proxies for their mounts. - Cadian Shock Troops - They're one of the featured groups with fluff and might receive new models for their infantry. - Catachan Jungle Fighters - I have all those Epic40k Catachans - got to use them for something. - Death Korps of Krieg - Steel Legion and Krieg Korps. Cool combination! - Elysian Drop Troops - I'm thinking that GZG proxies would look good as Elysians. - Jopall Indentured Sqdns - I like their paint job and Codex Grey would look good as Jopallis. - Krourk Ogryn Auxilia - I like their red and black camo and it gives me an excellent excuse to convert lots of Ogryns. - Minervan Tank Legions - Amphibious tanks are cool. It would be fun to convert little wading tubes and other amphibious addittions for Minervan armor. - Mordian Iron Guard - They're one of the featured groups with fluff and might receive new models for their infantry. - Noctan Strike Force - Night fighters need black uniforms. This formation obviously needs a few Imperial assassins as well.   - Ocanon Phalanx Troops - I'm thinking of using my Scotia proxies for Ocanons with their need for hostile environment suits and all. - Semtexian Bombardiers - I love their WWI German look and it's convenient to group my artillary as Semtexians. - Storm Troopers - I need an excuse to bring Valkyries and Vultures onto the field. I'm thinking that some of the GZG proxies look a lot like Storm Troopers. - Zouvan Skirmishers - I like their black and red camo and they'd look good with the other black and red unit, the  Krourk Ogryn Auxilia. ---------------------------------------- Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 4:37 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	I've decided to start painting the 6mm Scotia sci-fi as some Jopalli companies. I've been trying out trial paint jobs and have found one that I'm happy with. As soon as I'm done with the Jopallis, I have plans to build some Krourk Ogryn detachments to aid the Jopallis. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak.   ------------------------------------- Jopall Indentured Squadrons Stationed primarily in the upper reaches of Hive Tartarus, The Jopall Indentured Squadrons are an integral part of the thinly-spread Imperial defence lines holding back the steadily growing numbers of Orks teeming around the beleaguered Hive. However, sure of their abilities as marksmen and confident in their ability to mobilise a staggering amount of manpower should the Orks breach the hive walls, the toll the Jopall are taking on the beseiging Orks is considered exceptional. On their homeworld, the Jopall owe their government money as soon as they are born. Taking up valuable resources throughout their childhood, they incur a debt that they cannot repay until adolescence. Most citizens of Jopall spend the majority of their adult lives working off the debts they incur during the first part of their lives. There are ways around this punishing system, however; the citizen can either borrow money from the local Lord, or they can work off the debt to the government by joining the Jopall Indentured Squadrons. This system explains why the Jopall are never short of recruits. The Indentured Squadrons favour a defensive stance where resources are committed at the last moment. This makes them extremely unpopular with the fanatically committed Death Korps of Krieg stationed around the perimiters of Hive Tartarus. These two styles of warfare have complemented rather than detracted from each other, despite the resentment that is rapidly growing between the two factions. The Death Korps are disgusted by the very idea that a soldier should fight to work off debts rather than serving out of a sense of purest duty. They find the relaxed attitude to command structure in the Indentured Squadrons to be appalling and inefficient. However, it is just this fact that makes the Jopall so unique. Jopall Indentured Sqdns 17 Battalions Krourk Ogryn Auxilia 2 Regiments Individuality is a trait that is openly encouraged in the Indentured Squadrons, and the ingenuity and commitment of the soldiers is rewarded by a small financial recompense. Noted for their unscrupulous tactics, the Jopall have familiarised themselves with Tartarus to an exceptional degree, assimilating many of their soldiers into the Hive Militia and utilising the resources of the Hive against the Ork invaders. As a result of this, squads of Jopall soldiers have poisoned the Ork's water supplies with toxic waste, snipers have harried the Ork lines around the clock from the towers surrounding Tartarus, and the tunnels riddling the outskirts of Tartarus have been collapsed, instantly forming an intricate network of trenches from which the Death Korps have been operating. This spontaneous and uncoordinated activity is looked upon with contempt by many of the more traditional officers, but the results are undeniably valuable to the war effort. One instance in particular highlights both the potential the infamous Jopall guile can achieve and also the tremendous strain that it can put on the Imperial resources. A small squad of low-ranking Jopall officers managed to isolate a tribe of Orks who had somehow obtained several Imperial vehicles. These troop transports were painted with crossed axes and hung with skulls, but unlike the rusting, smoking heaps the Orks normally employ, these were well-maintained and comparatively clean. Masquerading as liaisons from Von Strab's Personal Guard, the Jopall officers negotiated the unauthorised transfer of three Imperial Basilisks and a substantial amount of artillery shells with a high-ranking Ork mechanic. The Mek, as it called itself, was allegedly frothing at the mouth with excitement, and after thoroughly checking the Basilisks it paid the Jopall cadre substantially for the artillery pieces. However, the Basilisk's undercarraiges were each strung with thin lines of plastic explosive covered in dust and grime. As soon as the cadre of officers were safely ensconced in the towers of Tartarus, observing the Mek proudly parading his newly bolstered artillery battalion to the Warlord Morbad himself via a satellite camera, the remote devices each officer carried detonated the plastic explosives. This triggered an explosion just destructive enough to detonate the Basilisk's ammunition, causing a chain reaction that consumed a full sixth of the Ork's artillery. The voluntary loss of three Imperial Basilisks was unforgivable, and the officers were stripped of rank. However, the soldiers in question now number among the most popular of the entire company. Jopall on Armageddon: The squadrons of the once-peaceful agriworld Jopall are equally well known for their marksmanship as they are for their greed. The question of recompense is often raised by the officers of the Indentured Squadrons, and every Ork life they take is tallied somewhere around the soldier's person, to be raised at a later date. Excellent snipers, they are stationed in the upper reaches of Hive Tartarus, and are currently thinning the numbers of the secondary Ork drops laying siege to the outer reaches of the hive. However, the Orks are creeping further into the Hive by the day, and soon the Indentured Squadrons may have to resort to close combat. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 2:08 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Well, I got off my tucches (rear end) again and worked on models yesterday evening. I started texturing the bases of the Scotia sci-fi IG proxies that I'll be making the Jopall Indentured Squadrons out of. I didn't realize that three companies have 36 bases plus 3 command stands! I only got a smidgeon more than 1/8th of the job done! What kind of vehicles do you gentlemen think the Jopallis would be using? I also took apart some MWDA battle armor (as in removed from the clickie stand TM) and mounted them on pennies. I'll try to get some photos soon. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. Here are links to three other threads: http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomm....;st=130 http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomm....5;st=10 http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomm....7;st=20 _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 5:36 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	What kind of vehicles do you gentlemen think the Jopallis would be using? ------------------------------ One of my earlier posts on this thread has some "colour text" for the Jopalli Indentured Squadrons if you need some background. I'm thinking that Chimera mechanized infantry might be possible, but I'm thinking they would have borrowed PDF equipment like Thud Guns, Mole Mortars, rapiers, and the like from the Hivers and Milita that they've operated with. Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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primarch	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 9:57 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! I think low-end equipment sounds in character. Thudd Guns and Mole Mortars are pretty low-tech. Stripped down versions of Leman Russes may be in order as well as Chimeras. Those vehicles should be available on almost every planet in the Imperium and are relatively simple to make. I would think that there would not be heavy artillery or super heavy tanks as those items would be too "special." Primarch. _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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MaksimSmelchak	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:13 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA	Primarch, Thanks for the feedback. I was thinking along the same lines. The Jopallis sound like a more low-tech IG force with decidedly simple and maintainable equipment (harder to sell the less valuable items for the dihonest ones too!). Mortars are the epitome of cheap transportable artillary technology. I never really liked the idea of Mole Mortars though. Rocky terrain would be too much of a pain. The Jopallis seem to be fantastic scroungers and firm proponents of the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid). I'm not sure if the US army could survive without KISS. I never got over the fact that on the side of a grande, there were instructions that didn't just read "throw grenade," but they read "throw grenade AWAY from self." I can't wait to hear Legion-4 comment on this one!   Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. _________________ 6mm Sci-fi: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/6mm ... nWarGames/ My Personal Blog: http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/
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primarch	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:17 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! You could take a look at the netepic book for PDF forces they were made as extremely low grade troops and some real low tech vehicles were made for them. You should also probably give them a lower morale and such to reflect poor training as compared to better armed and trained troops. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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dafrca	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:18 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	Quote (primarch @ 03 2003 Aug.,14:17) You should also probably give them a lower morale and such to reflect poor training as compared to better armed and trained troops. Is this always true? Does training always give the person better morale? I am asking, not because I disagree, but because I am not sure I agree. Did that make sense? I think of examples of people who are not well trained but may have high motivation. People can gain morale from extreem "Faith" for example. Fight hard and are not broken easy. Yet they are not the best "trained" fighters. Just wanted to hear your guys take on this idea. dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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Periodic	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 1:49 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 6:54 am Posts: 70	Quote (dafrca @ 04 2003 Aug.,01:18) Is this always true? Does training always give the person better morale? I am asking, not because I disagree, but because I am not sure I agree. Did that make sense? I think of examples of people who are not well trained but may have high motivation. People can gain morale from extreem "Faith" for example. Fight hard and are not broken easy. Yet they are not the best "trained" fighters. Just wanted to hear your guys take on this idea. Dafrca. Well the thing is, 'morale' is just a unit's vague willingness to fight. So a unit with personal motivation to complete their objective should have high morale, no matter what their training is. Religious fanatics, PDF defending their homes and children against a raping and pillaging horde, or an imperial guardsman with a commissar's gun to his back could all have high morale, though they may lack training. Training clearly does effect morale though. When the bullets start flying, having a protocol and chain of command which you can depend on can be a very important source of morale. A force which has been trained to fight, whose very profession is combat, is going to be a lot more willing to enter conflict for which they have no personal stake then a bunch of conscripts. Whether the Jopalli's would have poorer morale then your average guardsman would really be a question for someone who knows the fluff... Just ask yourself if they have less or more reason to fight then the average guardsman. Does "indentured" mean conscripted from a non-combat occupation, or does the indentured mean that they've essentially been destined to be soldiers from birth? BTW: Are the Jopalli's those guys with the hideous teal uniforms from the Armageddon site? If so, with camo (and fashion sense) like that, they have plenty of reason to have low morale. -Periodic.
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primarch	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 2:41 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! I would say that better training indeed does increase moral since it increases the individuals confidence in dealing with such a stressful situation such as being fired at. If you look closely at most modern training, it goes out of its way to be as "real" as possible. Not that this absolutely prevents people "freezing" under fire, but it does reduce it due to the "familiarity" related to the training experience. There is no doubt that motivation is a powerful factor in war to such a degree that a poorly trained force can achieve outstanding result, but if a better trained force with high morale and motivation faces it, they are usually toast. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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dafrca	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:03 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	So what I understand you saying is that it could be a grid like this: High Training                                    Highest Moral | | | | | Low Training | -----Low Motivation-----------------High Motivation So that the best Moral would be the person who had both a high motivation and a high level of training. Yes? dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com
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Legion 4	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:40 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36987 Location: Ohio - USA	Well to answer Maksim - yes, when you have a force of thousands of individuals trying to function to one end, keeping it simple makes sense. "Simplicity" is one of the US Army's Principles of War. To quote J. Larteguy, " In battle, death sanctions all faults." ? Morale is simple - Highly trained, skilled and motivated troops traditionally exhibit higher levels of morale. Examples : Rangers, Paras, SF, SAS, French Foreign Legion, etc., etc. ... ? Look at the otherside... the Iraqi Army, the French Army of 1940, etc., etc. ? Based on my military experience and knowledge of history, I know this is generally true. ? So to get back to the point, certain IG units would probably have better equipment than others. And regular units would have better morale than militia... _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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primarch	Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:12 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! Legion4 summed it up better than I, but yes, High morale and high training go hand in hand, the wild card being motivation, BUT... ...motivation being equal the better trained troop prevails due to better morale. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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MaksimSmelchak

Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:26 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2003 4:43 pm Posts: 7258 Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Periodic, Does "indentured" mean conscripted from a non-combat occupation, or does the indentured mean that they've essentially been destined to be soldiers from birth? I think I copied and pasted the colour background in an earlier post in this thread, Periodic. Check it out. Essentially, getting out in the Imperial IG levies is one of the only ways a Jopalli can get a future. I would think that they are relatively motivated and are definitely survivors. I keep getting images of the resistence fighters in the Jewish Ghetto in Poland before the fall. BTW: Are the Jopalli's those guys with the hideous teal uniforms from the Armageddon site?

I don't know if teal is the color I'd choose. It's more of a boggy mint color with light white speckles over it. It reminds me of a green and white version of the W.W.II German ambush pattern camouflage. they have black boots, silver and gunmetal weapons, and dull white helmets and accessories.

They come from a hopeless hive world so I don't expect them to have any fashion sense. I compare them to inner city rap artists. Effective, but... ugly!  

The colour background has them getting along well with hive gangs and citizen PDF forces. They're wheelers and dealers!

If so, with camo (and fashion sense) like that, they have plenty of reason to have low morale.

I think that they're more about shooting back than caring about what they're wearing...  

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.