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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG  Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:20 pm |
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| Quote (iblisdrax @ 02 2004 Jan.,00:25) | | The only problem I have with them banning this rule is that in the GW 40k fluff, the Guard and the SM are Supposed to be able to work together. ?The reason that they banned this combination is that they couldn't or wouldn't take the time to figure out a way to force players to field the combination correctly, ie not simply piecemeal, an artillery unit here, a tank unit there. ?That combination will result in a very powerfull force, the SM infantry and the IG armor and artillery. ?To just simply ban the use of them together is quite frankly, annoying. |
yes they are "banned" however I don't think you can get arrested for playing a combined IG/SM/Imperial Navy force ihn your games. It's only a game and it's only a rule...
How many people play monopoly strictly to the rules, 100% no deviation, no free parking bonuses, always auction unwanted properties... etc...
The combination are not banned, only if you play in tournaments are they not allowed... but in tournaments lots of things are not allowed...
If you want to play games with combined forces the only thing stopping you is YOU (oh and potentially your opponent, but generally you should talk to them about playing an interesting game rather than a competitive game).
And for those that want an easy solution, have two small armies, one IG and one SM.
Competitive play has it's place.
Epic is not just about competitive play.
In the following battle report
http://www.ifelix.co.uk/phoepic_b08_a.html
My Ork army would be "banned" as it consisted of 3000 points whereas my opponent had only 2000 points!_________________ Jimbo
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 5:31 pm |
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I completely understand the tournament-legal restrictions. In SM2, it was pretty much SOP to field IG arty, a hvy co, and deathstrikes, with SMs in thunderhawks. Serious balance problems began to take shape.
I think making allies come out of the 1/3 points restriction on air and titan support would be sufficient.
Sure, your SM chapter could take a Russ company w/ deathstrikes, but then you would have minimal air cover and no titans.
I have been toying with an Alpha Legion list. Since they field cultists in 40K and are a guerilla force, I figured making 1/3 of points available from the LatD list but eliminating titan choices made sense. The only WEs they would have access to would be via the LatD forces.
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 5:37 pm |
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Gang,
Competitive play has it's place.
Epic is not just about competitive play. |
I must cast my lot in with "Almost always right" Jimbo! LOL 
Shalom,
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 6:51 pm |
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I agree ! ?The =][= won't come to your door if you field an SM Bn supported by an IG company ! ? ?SM1 limited Off board support (CAS, as we later included) and Titans to 25% of Total Battle Force Level (BFL). ?Certain forces could be Allies like SM, IG and Squats. ?You choose which was your Main Force. Say SMs, that meant based on rule requirements, you could take up to Regimental level assets. ?Your other Allied Force, say IG, could be limited to Bn level assets. ? ?You were restricted in what you could take. ?And Basic Infantry and Armor Formations/Companies were taken before you could choose say heavy FA. ?It works ... ? ?
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:19 pm |
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To crush them with a Vortex missile army from abyss?  Just HAD to mention that. 
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Legion 4
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:25 pm |
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 8:24 pm |
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What is Cherry picking? Last time I looked it was what you did you to young inexperienced girls at night clubs?!? :S
As for combined SM and IG, I used them in this battle report with great success, it was the traditional IG arty company and SM army. Battle of Baena IV
We had a rule that you could only use 25% of your force as allies and that titans counted as allies unless you fielded a titan legion. It is VERY balancing as it is a choice of Titan or Arty company.... tough call.
In the other battle report where I took a pure chaos army with it's chaos reaver, the reaver performed far more successfully than the arty company which gave me room to consider taking titans more often... Death on Rannus VII
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primarch
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:09 pm |
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Hi!
The old off table SM1 barrages were great. I cant remember if they were re-introduced to net epic, although I used them in Heresy.
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netepic
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:06 pm |
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We do have off table ordanence - just not vortex ones 
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primarch
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:41 pm |
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Hi!
I wonder if we should add them?
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:33 am |
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Legion 4
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:00 am |
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Guys, All the SM1 Off-Board Support was great ! Barrages, Haywire, Vortex, etc., we still use them ! Your technique is a good one for using allies, Tom. And that should work with any rule system.
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primarch
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Post subject: Specific Marine List vs. IG Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 3:26 pm |
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Hi!
Yes, they were! Haywire ws most fun!
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