You may encounter wildly differing opinions on that list from anyone who has tried it recently

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May be I'm in the minority with this opinion but I really don't want to see Titan-only lists at a tournament.

They're fun to play against every now and then, but they are such an unusual set-up that basically renders all your AP useless and makes it near pointless to Engage anything that armies that haven't tailored to expect a dozen Fearless shielded War Engines don't stand much chance.

That is the challenge of the War Engine type list writer... to write a list that is balanced for tournament play, but that doesn't change the metagame (dramatically).

Introducing any new list style will of course change the metagame in some manner (introduce tyranids and people will want more AP weapons that ignore cover, so IG Bombards will go up in value, for example), so there's nothing wrong with changing the metagame a little bit, as every new list style introduced does that.

The challenge is to only affect the metagame in a limited manner.

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To get to some specific suggestions...

I would like to see the Salamanders list as a possible SM variant.  It provides a heavy ground force, which seems to be in demand.  The list is pretty close to being ready and needs only minimal conversions - a few infantry stands and a few Land Raiders.

I would like to see Minervans and Death Korps considered for IG.  It seems based on EpicUk criteria that the primary problem would be availability of models and/or easy conversion.  I think both could receive a slight trim to models avaiable from FW and/or some easy conversion guides.  The main stumbling block I could see is that the Gorgon is pretty iconic in DK and I can't think of anything that would be an easy conversion.

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EpicUK do not regard the Minervans as balanced, and are making their own tank regiment army list.

That'd be why they're asking for photos of a conqueror Leman Russ, for their tank regiment army list, I guess.


There's nothing wrong with having no photo, or a photo of a primitive scratchbuild made out of plasticard or the like, and saying "you must scratchbuild this model yourself".

Alternatively, use a zoomed-in photo of a 2nd ed Gorgon.  

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I hope they will accept Krieg and not be too insistent on currently on sale models, this seems to be pandering too much to a hypothetical risk of new player being turned off by not being able to buy a model new (while under-appreciating the cares of the very many existing players who already have them and/or the cross-over W40k players who could be put off if one of the units they commonly use in their W40k army are missing here).

There are a dozen old model epic Gorgons on ebay at the moment, they're not rare at all and with ebay being a much cheaper option for acquiring most epic models than GW themselves I don't think it should be discounted.

I've heard Matt Otter state if FW don't bring Crisis Suits back and no good proxies can be then they might just leave them out when they do their Epic-UK Tau list, a suggestion that struck me as bonkers and wrong on many levels  

Well clearly they'll have to leave out Fire Warriors, Stealth Suits and Pathfinders too.  

On a related note, I'm sure those models (or similar ones) won't remain unavailable forever.


I've been told they'll consider the NetEA Krieg list, depending on a list of certain restrictions (including adhering to as yet unnanounced EpicUK stat changes and special rules changes).

We'll see if the lists are compatible once EpicUK release their Guard rules.

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When tau are done I'm sure there will be suits etc.

However with no models on the market (or good proxies that I've seen) other lists with models or proxies may move up the schedule to take their place.

It would seem a bit of reinventing the wheel to start from scratch.  Are there complaints beyond the Stormhammer internal balance issue?

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Not as far as I know (Moscovian, the army champion, may know more), but EpicUK clearly like to do things for themselves.

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Could be seen as too underpowered perhaps?

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I did hear someone a while ago suggest just using the Minervan list to Matt O, but he insisted he wanted to do their version of it to make it their own, even if they just changed one little thing. I'd prefer them to use our lists but I guess we here in the Uk have to accept the way they want to do it and multi-task between both.

To be fair I hear they have since gone in a different direction with their tank list anyway, having heard it includes rules for infantry to ride on top of tanks and superheavies or something.

Ah, like the Black Templars list.  


We considered that for the Minervans, but "tank riding" has never really occured in battle situations historically AFAIK, only in moving around behind the lines when many miles from the enemy, so it was rejected as unrealistic.

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