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What are these?
Mojarn Piett
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:04 am 
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Do I hear a funeral dirge in the background? Just what are the bozos in GW marketing thinking. Or, rather, when are they going to START thinking... :blues:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 2:18 pm 
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I dont think the "marketing bozos" are thinking at all. In fact I'd bet the whole "epic thing" is beneath their radar and have not given it much thought. I truely believe Jervis is all alone on this project and its beginning to show.

By the way, "one army a year" IF the sales projections hold. IF not then NO ARMIES A YEAR.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 7:30 pm 
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This all seems kinda odd, as JJ himself said one army every 6 months (at GD UK), thus Tau was a "mere" 2 years away.

Plus, this theory seems to have worked with warmaster, as they have been slowly adding armies every so often since its release.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:28 pm 
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But remember warmaster had quite a few armies released quickly and then added to those slowly. In epic's case were talking about waiting years for all the core armies to appear, let alone ones like the Tau or Necron.

Also, warmaster had a very good run prior to going "fanatic" and their sales seem quite good still.

Epic has none of these things going for it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 1:13 am 
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Why is everyone viewing this as a dead game before it has even gone into production? We don't know what the future brings. We don't know how much WD is going to publicise it, nor how much will be stocked in stores or if any games will be played in stores. As long as they do the right thing at the right time we will be ok, and the game will survive, but as of right now, I am afraid that they are not at all sorted...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:37 am 
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I don't think we're writing E-A off, but we would all like to see new models, good rules etc.  However, when you see what has been going on with the E-A experiment, you have to admit, it is always not ... good ?! ???

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Hi!

I don't think the "fans" have written off the game, but GW with its miserly marketing plans have.

As with epic 40k, GW does its best for the game NOT to succeed.

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As I said, E-A has been convoluted and has had too many changes from DAY 1.  The best we can hope for is the E-A rules "hard copy" some time in '04, and some new models and armies over the next few (many) years ... hopefully ...  ???

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I dont think the actual availability of the rules is that critical since they can be downloaded, but not having any miniatures to capitalize on the furor caused by the rules is bad business.

I find it less and less hopeful that I'll ever see necrons or tau in metal.....

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:35 pm 
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Latest word on the reasons for the schedule change.

I know its touigh to have to wait, but when we release a range of models it needs to be complete and ready to use for new players as well as those that already have armies. We didn't manage that the last time round (the Chaos DN and bikes being a prime example), and I want to get it right this time. Having all our 'ducks in a row' when we release a game is quite complex, not only do we need to have all of the models made, but we need to have a fully tested set of army lists and the material to go along with them, and we need to be ready to put the range and support material into production smoothly. All of this takes time and planning - it's taken over two years just to get E:A back in print with three armies in it, and based on the experience of doing the E:A book I just don't think we'd be able to manage the re-release of more than one new race per year. Looking on the bright side though, you do have the army lists up in the vault, so if you already have an army then you can use it straight away.

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Take it as you will.  I think it's a problem.

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"Indeed" ... :L

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...Well, we just have to keep our fingers crossed (though it may take a bit more than that for the game to survive...)
I think I will stay positive about EA -after all it is a good game- but if it is going the same way of e40k by 2005 I'm afraid that there's just no future for GW's 6mmm Sci FI wargaming :(  (at least untill the marketing guys at GW get their heads out of their A**es)

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Take it as you will.  I think it's a problem.


No question, a BIG problem. To be frank, sounds like a lot of excuses coming from fanatic on this. Lots of promises, few translated into reality.

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Quote (primarch @ 11 2003 Nov.,21:45)
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Take it as you will.  I think it's a problem.


No question, a BIG problem. To be frank, sounds like a lot of excuses coming from fanatic on this. Lots of promises, few translated into reality.

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Yeah. Fanatic HQ is unfortunately starting to sound more and more like a politician on an election tour.  :{  And like politicians, there are the string pullers behind the scenes (marketing in this case).

And Warmaster, I don't think the marketers ever get their heads out of that certain place where the sun usually doesn't shine. That's where their heads ARE located by default.  :blues:

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Well, all I can say is save your pennies for the wonderful discount sales that will follow at some point in the future.... }:)

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