What would happen if formation A were allowed to Firefight against B2 after countercharging toward them?  I'm not pro or con on the topic, just asking if that would resolve the problem.

Funny enough, I have never used it and as such tuned it out.  Thanks!

I take back my MOD comment.  Consider it reported.

[quote="Hena,04 Aug. 2009, 11:12 "][quote="dptdexys,04 Aug. 2009, 11:29 "]If after counter charges there are no units within 15cm then the assault stalls.

This is already covered in the counter charge rules(in bold)

If part of the charge rules state that an assault would stall if there are no units within 15cm of the target. Then as all the charge rules apply to counter charges the same would be the case after counter charges,assault would stall.

1.12.4 Counter Charges
An assault represents a brutal short-range battle involving
movement, shooting and close combat. Although the
assaulting formation will have initiated the combat, the
defending formation will have time to react to the enemy
assault and make limited moves of their own. To
represent this, units from the defending formation
involved in the assault are allowed to make a special
move called a counter charge.
Defending units that are not already in base contact with
an enemy unit are allowed to counter charge. Units with
a speed of 30cm or more may make a counter charge
move of 10cm. Units with a speed of 25cm or less may
make a counter charge move of 5cm. Counter charges
happen after the engaging formation has finished moving
and any overwatch shots have been taken, but before the
combat is resolved. All the normal charge move rules
apply, and defending formations must still be in a legal
formation after the counter charge moves have been
made (ie, all units must be within 5cm of another unit
from their formation). Embarked units may dismount.


There is an actual rule for 'charge move' that is seperate from Make Charge Moves.

[quote]A formation undertaking an engage action is allowed to make one move (not a double distance move as is the case in many sets of wargame rules, not least many Games Workshop games), and then fights an assault against the enemy formation that was chosen as the target of the charge. This move is known as the charge move.

Make the move normally, as described in the movement rules given previously. Once the move is complete, the engaging formation must have at least one unit within 15cms of a unit from the target formation.

Why would you counter charge towards a formation that might not actually get to attack?

so person A  assualts you in the street and in retalitaion you go and assualt person B  10 metres away because they maybe in on it but your not sure.

Isnt the whole point of  a counter charge in the name it self, to countercharge.  you charge at me i charge at you we have a big punch up and  may the best man win.
No to mention if the counter charge rules do adhere to normal charge rules isnt  this while thread a moot point since you HAVE TO  have one unit with 15cm of the engaging formation?  hence this situation should never actually arise ?

This would make the best position of support on top of the unit triggering the engage, there is zero reward for manouvre and we come a step closer to just pushing minis around the table.

Why not just fix the counter charge rules and be done with it?

there does have to be some kind of downside for choosing to "fix and clip".

This makes the "reverse clip" possible, as the defender can consolidate backwards to minimize the number of attackers in range while maximizing their own firepower.