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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:34 am 
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Quote (Tas @ 19 2004 Oct.,10:53)
You guys are making me think twice about ordering, especially with the extra postage - is it really that bad? ?

No, its not that bad in my experience.  The only things I'd say you should avoid are the Leman Russ Company set, the Chimera blister and the Stormtrooper blister.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:40 pm 
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Hi!

The funny thing is that the actual winner in recent epic releases is FW. Good models at a good price.

I never thought I'd say that about FW prices, but it seems to be getter truer and truer....

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:41 pm 
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Yeah, and Ebay....prices higher and higher!!  :D

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:44 pm 
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The funny thing is that the actual winner in recent epic releases is FW. Good models at a good price.

I never thought I'd say that about FW prices, but it seems to be getter truer and truer....

Yep, FW is looking more and more like the choice, even with cross atlantic shipment.

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Quote (iblisdrax @ 19 2004 Oct.,06:41)
Yeah, and Ebay....prices higher and higher!! ?:D

As people join in and want to start to play or return to play, and they realize how bad the "new" minis are, they will try and get the Old stuff. Up go the prices.  :;):

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You guys are making me think twice about ordering, especially with the extra postage - is it really that bad? ?

No, its not that bad in my experience. ?The only things I'd say you should avoid are the Leman Russ Company set, the Chimera blister and the Stormtrooper blister.

Rob

My Stormtroopers look like they were done by amatures, both Chimera Bliasters look like you would think recast knock-offs would look like. The Landraider had excess metal that obscured details. The Land Speeders looked good except for the mold lines. Vultures had some warp that might have been post mold damage. The Rhinos were Ok, except one was a miscast. The Marine Lander was nice, a pain to put together, but nice. The Leman Russ Company was "OK" but nothing to write home about.

Look, the bottom line is GW has gone with poorer QC and clearly went with the lower budget on this round.

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My Stormtroopers look like they were done by amatures


I'm not sure what the problem with the ST's is, as the resin masters looked really nice.

I thought it could be that the detail doesn't come out so well on such small figs using metal, but then I got the baran troopers and they look very nice, so it can't be that. ?Must be a specific mold problem.

The Marine Lander was nice, a pain to put together, but nice.


A pain to put together, are you sure? ?The marine lander is designed to be easy to fit together, whoever designed it is quite clearly a genius. ?The two I have both went together very easily. ?

Look, the bottom line is GW has gone with poorer QC and clearly went with the lower budget on this round.


Yeah, QC should definetly be improved, mainly on the older redone stuff. ?

The budget can't be helped though, Jervis made it quite clear that they are operating on a very small budget as it is all the finance people will let them have, and can only do a limited number of things.

At least they got good sculptors to do the new stuff.

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The sculptors are great but even they are probably paid by the hour. This means that the detail on some of the miniatures aren't as great as it could be. As anybody who does commisioned work will tell you, you will know how much you'll be paid for a certain job. Then you judge how much time you will be spending on the project vs. how much you have to be paid by the hour for the comission to pay of.
I suspect that some of the minis (Death Koptas in particular) are pretty quick pieces of work. Naturally GW is spending more money on the large minis such as Titans and the Marine Lander: These are "prestige models" but small "insignificant" models don't need to be as well made.

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I havent had time to read the whole of this thread, so forgive me if I'm off the mark, but I'd like to make a couple of comments:

The Stormtrooper masters were gorgeous models. I cant remember if I did on here, but I know I raved about them at my local club & swore to do an army of them regardless of the cost. However, the production castings I've seen so far have all been well below this standard. Still not bad for 6mm, but not the level of the sculpts which truly is a great shame.

I've also noticed that casting has been a problem elsewhere in the range - put an E:A edition Leman Russ next to a E:40K one. They're the same model, but I guess they made a new mould using E:40K prodution pieces rather than making it from the parts of the E:40K Master models. Its been squashed at some stage for the master mould I guess & is a millimeter or two shorter than the E:40K piece, making it look slightly "squat" (no pun intended) to an eye thats used to thousands of Epic 40K models.

I think the shortcomings are definietly in a rushed casting schedule for what is relatively a very small casting operation to deal in the Huge quantities & variety required of it.

It is a real shame as they're definitely suffering for it.

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Hi!

I think SG should take a breath and seriously evaluate this casting issue. Epic is starting out and needs as much as a "clean" run as possible. If quality slips, it will give the game a bad rep that it certainly doesn't need or deserve.

Some of you UK guys who see Jervis and such should probably pass that info on.

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Or if you are in the US, write a letter to Ernie Baker (In charge of Operations) and Len Sullivan (Brand Marketing) like I am going to do. :;):

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I just KNEW you were going to say that.... :;): :D

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Quote (primarch @ 19 2004 Oct.,17:09)
I just KNEW you were going to say that.... :;): :D

But did you know that I would have names?  :laugh:

I am writing my letters even as you read this post. :;):

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Just checked my E:A STs ... they all look good !  However my Rhinos all were bad and I even called G/W US and they said they were aware of the problem, but had no solution at this time.  They should paint up fine though. My Basilisks had a lot of flash and poor molding on the rear tracks, again I fixed that and they should paint up fine.  However at these prices and the hype, all our E:A stuff should be up to standard ...

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This is starting to sound really bad. I need at least four more companies of Russes (in order to have 2 full battalions)  but this thread has started some doubts about whether to buy the new ones or to start hunting for the old ones.

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