Are mix formations able to embark transports as part of a consolidation move?

Sorry if this is a real nubbin question but I've gone rules blind looking at the book :S

Hi, this FAQ is actually slightly incorrect; it only applies to troops embarking back onto a War Engine transport, not to 'standard' transports.

The point is that troops embark and disembark from WE slightly differently than from ordinary transports. This is explained in 3.1.3 but essentially troops can embark onto a WE transport at the end of their move after which the WE transport may not move, otherwise the troops would effectively be moving further than they should thus gaining an unfair advantage. It is for this reason that an Air Transport (WE) loses it's disengagement move if troops used their consolidation move to embark onto it.

I have raised this query with Dave here

I'm not following you Ginger. This Q&A isn't talking about troops embarking on a transport, it's talking about the transport picking up the units as part of its consolidation move.

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Well, a 'standard' transport like a Wave Serpent can consolidate and pick up troops eg Guardians after they have performed a successful assault. However, if the Guardians consolidate back onto a Vampire, this act prevents the Vampire from moving again, so prevents the Vampire from Disengaging in the end phase. Equally, the Guardians may consolidate after their combat and then be collected by a Vampire later in the turn.

On reflection, it could be the wording that is slightly confusing, since it is suggesting that the unit being picked up may not make a consolidation move, which is not correct.

What it's covering is if a transport (WE or not) makes a consolidation move it can pick up units, and those units that are picked up aren't allowed to make a consolidation move.

It's not covering that a unit is allowed to use its consolidation move to embark on a WE transport (which in turn can't consolidate). That's covered elsewhere.

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I am not sure I understand what is intended then; once a formation is inside a transport it loses all movement, so obviously has no consolidation when inside.

However, the troops are allowed to disembark if the transport is assaulted (providing they are not locked in). This FAQ suggests that the disembarked troops could not consolidate under these circumstances - is that really what was intended?

A unit can't consolidate and then be picked up by a transport also consolidating.

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Hi Dave, could you expand further.

I am struggling to envisage the situation that the FAQ is intended to clarify, not least because I thought WE were the only type of units that could pick up another formation, and they do not embark units in this manner

It's just a simple question of: "can units be picked up by transports during a consolidation move in the same way they can in a normal move?" Answer: yes.

Or to put another way: "does a consolidation move count as a move for the purposes of the Transport rule?" Answer: yes

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Ah, I understand. Apologies for the significant digression.

This FAQ covers the situation where a formation is consolidating and troops are being picked up by their transports as part of the consolidation move. 1.7.5 is clear that the transport moves over the troops to pick them up, and that the troops are not allowed to move when this happens. The FAQ is merely restating this point

Perhaps the answer could be reworded slightly to read:-

A. Yes and yes. A transport may consolidate and pick up troops from its own formation, but they may not move while this happens (see 1.7.5)

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Sorry, how far is a consolidation move? And where does it say in the rules?

consolidation is in 1.12.9

Cheers. Not sure how I didnt see that!