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Post subject: Popping up  Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:55 pm |
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Hello all,
After looking again at my project for an armoured regiment I took army builder and decided to list them to see how it would look. The result came around the 6k-7k points mark. Not bad  I thought it might be a little bit too much for a start, though, so I decided to settle for a 3k list to start planning my display army (sadly, no epic players around here, and I don't know if I will find any in Brighton next year)
Anyway, I wanted to ask you if you think this would be a suitable armoured company (AC) formation:
- Mechanized infantry company + Hydra 450 pts
- Tank company (10 leman russ tanks) 650
- Tank company (10 leman russ tanks) 650
- Artillery Battery (3 basilisks) 250
- Artillery Battery (3 basilisks) 250
- AA Battery (3 Hydras) 150
- 3 Shadowsword Superheavy tanks 500
(NOTE: dunno if this last one is correct, but army builder didn't change its value over the baneblades....)
TOTAL: 2900. I don't know if I really lack something. Likely infantry since I only have one company (12 stands + HQ) of those dudes. I have 100 points for upgrades in case you think I need something. The list is open to any criticism. I simple selected what I thought "felt right" but have no prior knowledge of E:A rules (reading them soon, promise!  ) so I might be way out of my track here. I simple selected what "felt" right to me to be there.
What do you think? Is this worth as a "half regiment" force?
Health and sixes,
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:40 pm |
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It's pretty good but you could probably use more small formations. Two Tanks companies are by no means unheard of but you could use more activations instead. Armies with many activations will quickly be able to outmanouver you so you need cheap formations to counter this. Rough Riders, Sentinels or stormtroopers are cheap ways of achieving this but try out a few games to see if you really need them. Two Russ comapnies can still take and deal out a considerable ammount of punishment.
I say try it out a couple of times and see how it plays. I'd expand the force with more infantry and Storm troopers in Valkyries with Vulture support. Sentinels are surprisingly effective beecause of their scout ability which enables them to bog down enemy formations. At 100 points they are alllways worth their money.
Ogryns in Chimeras can also be really tough buggers. Place them in support of the Shadowswords and watch them cut through the enemy if he gets too close to your precious warengines.
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:08 pm |
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So, for what you are saying I was right in the fact that I have too few infantry. As I said I have not pl?ayed or really read the E:A rules yet, so it was more a "background organization".
The activation thingy... it is the fact that you need to activate each formation in turn adn give them the same orders, right? I read something like that a while ago...
Let's see if the following is better: basically I added an infantry company and broke down one of the leman russ companies, placing them in support of the infantry and other elements of the army.
Mechanized infantry company.
- 1 Hydra AA (50)
- 3 Griffon Battery (100)
- 3 Leman russ tanks (200) ? ? Total: 750
Mechanized infantry company.
- 1 Hydra AA (50)
- 3 Leman russ tanks (200) ? ? Total: 650
Tank company. 650 pts
Mixed Superheavy tank company (1 baneblade, 2 shadowswords) 500 pts
- Ogryns in chimeras (the "bodyguards" of the tanks) 100 ? ?TOTAL: 600 pts
Artillery battery (3 basilisks) 250 pts
Sentinel Squadron (4 sentinels) 100 pts
Now I might be running low on artillery and AA   ?lol. I suppose that 3 grigffons are not as good as 3 basilisks. Seems like a larger force, though. Basically is swaping one of the tank companies for a mechanized infantry company and adding more widespread tank support.
Sounds better? It starts to look like a mechanized formation more than an armoured formation 
EDIT: reread your post. Seems that you are suggesting that I should drop one of the main companies, leaving only one tank and one infantry companies (and also the superheavies) while investing the rest in support formations. In that case I supopose this other formation would be better:
OPTION C:
A- Mechanized company (650)
- 1 Hydra
- 3 leman russ
B- Tank company (700)
- Hydra
C- Superheavy Tank company (2 shadowswords + 1 baneblade) (600)
- Ogryns in chimeras
D- Support artillery (3 basilisks) (250)
E- Flak Battery (3 hydras) (150)
F- Storm trooper platoon in Valkyries (350)
G- Sentinels (100)
H- Sentinels (100)
I- Sentinels (100)
TOTAL: 9 formations, 72 units
Better? Actually I would have liked to take storm troopers in regular chimera transpots, since it would fit my theme better, but hey, I am unsure that this can be done....
Health and sixes,
Xavi
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:47 am |
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I think Option C for the most part works for me. 3 Sentinals dets. may be too much. However you do have a respectable Tank Heavy Bn Task Force.
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:01 am |
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Maybe drop two of the Sentinel Squadrons and replace them with either rough riders or a flight of Vultures. At the same points cost as two Sentinel Formations you can also get a battery of deathstrikes which would be essential if you plan to play against warengine heavy opponents.
The flak battery is nice but maybe split it up and place embedded in more formations.
...Oh, and instead of the Sentinels you could also try a Lunar Class Cruiser.
Just suggestions but like I said: try it out a few times and see what works for you. The organisational theme of the army might be a bit lost if you try to add too much tactical flexibility to it. The army should be fun and characterfull -not a meta-gamer army!
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:18 pm |
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| Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 29 2004 Aug.,10:01) | Just suggestions but like I said: try it out a few times and see what works for you. The organisational theme of the army might be a bit lost if you try to add too much tactical flexibility to it. The army should be fun and characterfull -not a meta-gamer army!
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Man, you are NOT reading me: I have no epic players around AT ALL; so I am NOT playtesting it. Sad but true  As a consequence I want an army that is characterful overall but that in the eventual case of a game would perform well enough. I will not playtest it, simply collect and paint it down for display At least until I find an epic opponent, that is.
This is the bone of a larger force compromising all the companies in my regiment + 1 or 2 warhounds (looking at them, I think they are the only titans worth under 5k points, even if I might be wrong), and a likely list to be playtested eventually. I am interested in knowing if such formation would be worth its name in the battlefield or not as a consequence, but I am not :_that_ bothered about it not being 100% effective And no lunars for me: I already have 8 lunars in my shelf, but I prefer all my army to be in the same scale when I design a force!!
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:16 pm |
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| Quote (Xavi @ 29 2004 Aug.,07:18) | | I have no epic players around AT ALL; so I am NOT playtesting it. Sad but true As a consequence I want an army that is characterful overall but that in the eventual case of a game would perform well enough. I will not playtest it, simply collect and paint it down for display |
Then to be honest, build what you like. Paint it the way you like and do not worry about what works best in the game. If you want a whole company of Robots, paint them up. Want a single Marine Tac Squad for fun, get them and paint them up. Want to say you have some Eldar Mercs in your employ, get them.
The truth is, you will end up with more then you can use in a normal game anyway. So if you do find a person to play, then worry about the build of the "game" army. Otherwise build, paint, and collect as much as you want to.
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:20 pm |
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Dafrca is right again!! If you don't run into financial ruin, you will eventually have many more minis than you can use in a game. So have fun, and paint away!
btw, where do you live, anyway?
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:25 pm |
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Disregard last part of last communication: I just looked at your bio section. Too far away for me!
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:55 pm |
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Well, moving to Brighton in a month, if that helps.
Ok, probably will go with your advise. Thx
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:27 pm |
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Hi again,
For a start I have decided to start smaller. I alays aim too high! I have settled for a starting force of only 2k points. 3 possible options, all following my theme of a rapid strike force:
OPTION A
Mechanized company
Tank Company
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Superheavy tanl platoon (shadowsword)
Superheavy tanl platoon (shadowsword)
Sentinel Squadron
total: 6 formations
OPTION B
Mechanized company
- Leman russ (3)
Tank Company
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Superheavy tank platoon (shadowsword)
Superheavy tank platoon (shadowsword)
Sentinel Squadron
total: 6 formations, 43 units
OPTION B
Mechanized company
Tank Company
- Hydra Flak
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Superheavy tank platoon (shadowsword)
Sentinel Squadron
Storm trooper platoon
- Valkyries
total: 6 formations, 51 units
OPTION C
Mechanized company
- 3 leman russ
Mechanized company
- 3 leman russ
Artillery Battery (3 basilisks)
Sentinel Squadron
Sentinel Squadron
Storm trooper platoon
- Valkyries
total: 6 formations, 69 units
The formations come from tank-heavy to tank-light. The 3rd one is the biggest in terms of overall units, even if it has no heavy tanks. Actually, i think it is the most manoeuverable force, even if a tank-light one. I don't know if I lack in AT fire there.
I suppose I will go for the second one (OPTION B), since it has a little bit of everything Don't know if it has fighting potential (seems that the specialist games site is quite weird now, and I cannot download the rest of the rulebook...  but it looks quite fine to me. Diverse, but with some armoured punch. Except against flyers I should do fine. As long as I don't get assaulted, that is!!
Are options A or C better than B? From a "realistic" point of view, I mean. Can a force like C cope with heavy armour? Can A cope with faster formations?
In any case this is a starting buying list. Let's see if I can work on it during this year and have a fighting force soon to place on my display shelf!!
Xavi
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:58 pm |
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If I was given those three and told to pick I would go with B.
B gives you more flexability to deal with what your opponent might toss at you.
Just my .02
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:13 pm |
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:01 pm |
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Post subject: Popping up Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:18 pm |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 30 2004 Aug.,19:01) | | When you say you are looking for tanks that look different, are you looking for Proxy (non-GW)? |
Yup, that's the idea. My 40k IG army is already doing so since I am using leopards instead of regular leman russes. I thought I would go the same path if I was to collect the epic version of the force as well As long as they are cheaper and good quality, that is. For 40k it is quite easy since there is plenty of 1:35 producers out there. Don't know if the same holds for epic, though.
Health and sixes,
Xavi
PS: don't listen to your wife in these issues. Listen only to the ones that rise your morale and pride, not the others
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so I am taking this as a kudos sign