"Banana peel for scale". Uh-huh. OK. Sure.

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I very much doubt we'll see this. (BTW, if we're going to be pedantic, it is a rumor. The question is whether the rumor is true or not.)

GW seems to release these boxed games to forestall an emerging competitor. In this case, the clear competitors popping up now are X-wing (FFG) and Star Trek Attack Wing (WizKids, licensed from FFG). That suggests that the GW riposte would be a boxed Aeronautica Imperialis (another great game that withered on the vine through lack of marketing rather than anything else), or a re-release of Battlefleet Gothic. Either would be done as one-off boxed sets in plastic.

If they did do an Epic re-release (and I don't see why they would based on their current strategy), it would NOT be through FFG. That would defeat the whole purpose of boxed games. There's a rumor floating around that FFG is considering an "epic-scale" (3mm, 6mm, or 10mm) Star Wars ground game. If GW redid epic, it would be to steal FFG's thunder. And I'm not sure it would work: compared to the Holy Trilogy, most gaming settings including even 40k is on par with fanfic.

Compatibility and extensibility seems to matter. People bought Space Hulk partly to cannibalize for their 40k armies. Dreadfleet didn't do so well. BFG was very popular, but requires a fair variety of minis for each faction. Modular escorts might help, and they do already have molds for the Imperial and Chaos cruisers. But it would still be limiting. There'd be plenty of demand, but it would be very hard to fit a game in a box. BFG was designed with selling blisters in mind.

If I were GW, I'd do a dumbed down Aeronautica Imperialis in plastic. It was a solid game. You don't need all that many mini designs in the box to field a wide variety of ships. Epic players would scoop up the 6mm-compatible ships. A single box set could give you Imperial, Chaos, Space Marines, Eldar, and Orks. Or two box sets: humans and xenos, with three factions each. Not all that many minis designs per faction, maybe a fighter, a bomber, and a transport, but X-wing showed us that you don't NEED that many for people to feel satisfied. And it helps push their flyers in 40k scale.

But we really don't know what they'll do next.

I can't see how it would be a good idea for FFG to obtain the licence, even if they wanted it for Necromunda/Mordheim alone.

At best they would get a long term licence from GW, with the threat that if they made a go of the SG franchise GW could swoop in and take it away. Or worst case absorb them as they did Forge World. I just don't see why FFG would want a mini game that is under licence.

Then again plenty in the gaming industry makes little sense to me.

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Don't know the veracity of this but - http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=334321 Sounds like GW are melting stuff ! Another nail in the coffin ? If this is true ... it does not bode well for an Epic rebirth, IMO ...

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Why does that make any difference? GW delisted lots of metal, now they are making some money from that unsold stock. None of those metal minis would be used in any epic rebirth, we already know they won't sell any more metal.

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I am not sure that even boxed games are the way to go for GW. Evidently they need to fill the hole left by a 20% fall in sales. Producing boxed games takes time, money and effort, which is why they created SG in the first place, and why they outsourced to FFG more recently. Given the urgency of the current situation, the structure and strategy of GW, changing to a "boxed game" strategy seems highly unlikely no matter how much we might desire it.

(and I hope the grammar meets the boards strict standards )

Well, one rumor stated that there will be a new 40k main boxed set coming out this year, but that it wasn't a major rules revision, so it won't be 7th edition. Supposedly, it will have the current rule book with error corrections and FAQs, plus a different bunch of minis than the current 6th ed box has.

So maybe the new plan is to have a constant release of big box sets, sort of like it was back in the day.

If GW does actually re-release SG games, it will be interesting to see how much monkeying they do with the rules sets. Epic: Armageddon is pretty solid, especially after GW posed the revised rule books, but the other games have pretty big balance issues for forces that were added later.

I realize that there has been work towards fixing those issues on the fan forums, but it will be a big change in direction for GW if they actually use those fixes (the Not Invented Here syndrome).

I don't see it happening. The specialist games never sold well and i don't see them risking the resources to recreate them.

If it did happen it would be in-house by GW as a plastic box set with all new miniatures. FFG produce games not miniatures. The license FFG have with GW allows them to produce games in their universes but not with proper miniatures. Their Horus Heresy game has 3d plastic models, but laughably bad quality ones:



Would anyone really want an FFG Epic reboot that had titans like these?

No, but a FFG Epic reboot with minis like Dust and X-Wing would be awesome.

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At some point I'm sure I've shat something that looks more like a Titan than that miserable effort!

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Yeah, those board game pieces look like board game pieces to me... Fugly and fuctional.

I can't imagine Epic returning in a recognizable fashion; an AT style titan game would be about as much as I'd expect, if that.

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Where can I find more data about this Star Wars ground game rumor ?

Yep, I'd like to know more about this as well! I've been Star Wars (real trilogy, not that Jar Jar / Mannequin Skywalker shite) daft since the age of two when it was my first cinema experience. Apparently it was a quiet showing and I just buggered off down the front to watch it myself! I didn't move for two hours until it was done and at the end I was hyper!

Anyway, Rebels or Empire in Epic would be great!

The best i could find was this: http://boardgamegeek.com/image/1510024/ ... size=large

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