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Nid E-A Playtest: 1,000pt vs. Eldar!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:49 pm 
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This whole discussion looks like an Imperial "Turf War" thing, who controls what, who out ranks who, etc., etc. ... ?

Again, I'm going to wait and see what G/W finally comes up with. The G/W fluff, as usual, is capricious and confusing as ever.

Sort of like real life "turf wars." :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:42 am 
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Well easier said than done when you're writing for the official game :-)


In my expereince, "official" is whatever the gaming group you belong to decides.... :;):

Then again I haven't played a game "as is" since the 80's.... :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:36 am 
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Well easier said than done when you're writing for the official game :-)


In my expereince, "official" is whatever the gaming group you belong to decides.... :;):

Then again I haven't played a game "as is" since the 80's.... :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:30 am 
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That's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that Neal !  CIA, FBI, DIA, NRO, NSA, etc., etc. ? Ordo this, Ordo that, etc., etc. ... :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:12 pm 
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Just read the SoB codex this week and the Codex Imperialis and can't see a reference to it.

Where are you seeing this?


Not in these two for sure. I have said: most recent fluff. Do you know what is the name of Codex in which SoB will be released for 40k? Codex: Ordo Hereticus. The Sisters are joining into the ranks of the =I=, and do you remember the Citadel Journal "Ordo Hereticus Strike Force"?

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Do you know what is the name of Codex in which SoB will be released for 40k? Codex: Ordo Hereticus. The Sisters are joining into the ranks of the =I=, and do you remember the Citadel Journal "Ordo Hereticus Strike Force"?

I am really looking forward to this as it is being thrown around as the best chance that the Genestealer Cult has of making it into the 40K for real!

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It appears as more G/W "Fluff Confusion", they have been doing this for years.  A definitive work on the subject would be nice but no sooner would it be in print, then it would change.  I've seen this happen too many times before in the past.  But like Primarch says, the rules you use with your gaming clan, should be the "official" rules.  As I posted here months ago, I have a Genestealer Cult based on Very, very old fluff and an old CJ, IIRC.  That works for us.  So if it works for you and your crew ... go for it !  :;):

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Hi!

People can also just further the timeline on GW fluff to take the universe down different paths, like the emperor dying, the birth of the star child or many others.

Its only limited by your imagination and of course time....

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 11:53 pm 
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I played my first test 'Nid game last night, a 1000 point vs Eldar.  I'm not very familiar with the Eldar, but I think that he was running 2 warhosts, a falcon detachment, and a long range detachment.  On the other side we had 2 hive tyrants with tyranid guards, 10 carnifaxes, 17 gaunts, a biovore, and a formation of genestealers.  The Eldar pummeled the genestealers right off the bat (anyone else think that they are a little weak with 6+ armor?) and put some hurt on the 2 tyrant formations (had to split the horde to go around terrain) but then made the mistake of assaulting a half strength tyrant host with a warhost+falcons.  Result: Dead warhost(well one falcon survived :p ).  Then the 'nids respawned most of the detachment right back!!  Things went drastically downhill for the Eldar after that.  
    In conclusion, I think that the Nids are very tough.  But, in retrospect, I don't think that the Eldar are very well matched against them, ie, lots of AT firepower, not so good Ap shots (of which the nids have a lot!), and expensive formations.  
    Comments, anyone?  Was this the best Eldar formations to use?  And I know, assaulting the nids(the most dangerous CC army in the game, far as I know) was a bad mistake.

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Hmm, nobody wants to comment?  Strange, on this board... :p

my 2cents,

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Have not played 'Nids or Eldar with E:A rules (most of my 'Nids are SIB ! :blush:) ... or I would be glad to help you or at least make comments of some worth ...   ???

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Your assessment sounds about right to me.  Eldar are lacking in AP fire, using assaults to make up for it.  Obviously, not so great against Nids.  Personally, facing Nids with Eldar, I would place objectives deep in their territory and take dark reapers in wave serpents and guardian FF hosts in wave serpents.

It's important to note that the game isn't really balanced for just 1000 points, too.  Also, I am curious about your Nid list.  Was it just throwing down the models that were available?

2 Hive tyrant formations is 500 points
10 Carnifex is 500 points
That's 1000 points before you get to any of the gaunts, so the nids may have just had more points.  

Both categories (synapse and "elite" broods) are restricted to 25% of the overall points, meaning that it would need to be a 2000 point list to field all of that.  Of course, if you are playing 1000 points, I guess you might as well toss out the force selection restrictions, too, since it won't be balanced anyway.  It's just an observation.

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Well, you are right about the force restrictions as far as the Hive Tyrants go, we couldnt field two of them legally.  That was a mistake.  The Carnifaxes, however, are only 25 points apiece in my list, which I pulled off the web the night before.  So, if the 'nids were restricted to the one Tyrant, we probably would have taken another det of 'stealers, or more biovores.  I don't think it would have changed the outcome, tho, not the way the Eldar were played.  Like I said, it was a learning game on both sides. :oo

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IMO the Tyranid list needs the most work done on it out of all the lists currently in the vault.

I've just put my 'nids aside until September when they will be getting an update. (too far away :( ). I find the current list too unbalanced (playing both with and against 'nids)
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