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Regimental Organization (help needed)
Xavi
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:37 am 
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Hello there Tas!

Thanks for the useful input (this theme overflows with it :D ).

Abouit the organization and what is good and what is not, the idea is the following:

The oniss federation has been at war with orks from the palan sector for decades. Over time they have discovered that orks are a tough nut to crack if they are lead by catalizers of their waagh power. If they are not, they are powerful on an individual basis, but their overall coordination as an army is reduced a great deal. The catalizers are the warbosses basically. So, killing those warbosses has become a priority opf the onissians in their struggle with the orks. Sadly, the oniss federation is not like the IG, being a somewhat scarcely populated subsector (only several billion people, small for human population standards) so they cannot afford to conduct suicide raids against the centres of the enemy, droping full regiments on top of the enemy heads to kill the dudes. So, they have opted for lightning armoured strikes against those centres, arriving and demolishing the command centres of the enemy.

For AA, they have few aircraft assets, so they use AA instead.

Overall, you can think of this force as a rapid strike force, designed to go there, bombard the enemy HQ centre and sending the infantry they have to finish off the remaining ork leaders after they take a heavy beating from the artillery. A search & destroy force, basically. Adfter that they will urn their engines on and race back to their own lines as fast as they can before the enemy sends reinforcements!!

Sometimes they have tried this against the main warboss leading the waagh, but the results have generaly been a disaster, so they concentrate on secondary leaders, to disrupt an ork sector before launching an offensive against the orks in that sector. Sometimes it works, but when it doesn't the sector is strangled at best.

So there you have my general background :) search and destroy force, designed to go there ast, pound artillery on the head of the opponent and leave the area before the enemy can react or secure it as a bridgehead for a further assault.

Now, I was asking if:
- you think that from a backgroun point of view this is a sound move or I should review my general designed stratgies. It is perfectly possible that I am wrong here, heh :)
- you think that this would work as an E:A general strategy and army design to accomplish that (be an effective E:A fighting force)

So those are my questions :cool:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:40 pm 
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Well even if you have air support, AAA is still needed as aircraft can't be everywhere, all the time. And nothing guarantees your CAP will intercept everything.

An armored raid (known as a "Thunder Run" in the current war in Iraq), is one way to penetrate an enemy frontline. Concentrate FA (and CAS if you got it) along a number of points along the enemie's front (this is part of your deception plan), preferably at weak points in his line. Then rush in guns blazing at the point closest to your objective. Force a hole in his line, may even need forces to hold open the shoulders of the penetration.

Send your raiding force to the objective. Hit and Run! Get out fast! Use FA and CAS to cover your withdrawel. This is usually a very high risk mission, but has been successfully done throughout history.

The SAS was famous for it in WWII and they were only using jeeps. That being said, your Armored Cav force still has to be able to attack, defend, etc. like all combat units. That's why it is designed as a combined arms team. I believe with more gaming experience you can make this force work for both 40k and Epic.

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So the basic design of that is a pseudo-blitzkrieg :cool: The difference is that you move back once you have smashed your target instead of lurking around enveloping the opponent et al.

Ok, so the idea is to:

1) draw your combat lines, make a break, usually using artillery barrages and some infantry supported by a healthy numer of tanks, I guess,

2)keep the break with some units and

3) send the thunder run force through the gap to the target, smash it and return before the enemy can beat the units holding the gap open, I see.

Good. Sounds like the kind of operation I would like ! :D

For epic I suppose it can work. For 40k, you are basically playing a game that is an assault phase in epic, sop it would be the last assault on the target of the thunder run.

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Yes, you basically got it right.  And it takes the classic blitzkrieg doctrine of looking a weak point to penetrate.   Your force will be a combined arms unit of primarily Armor and Mech Infantry with Cbt Eng, AAA (if they are available), etc., for support.

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I'm more of a reader than a poster so I tend to to leap between the shadows here but this thread really sparked my curiosity. I'm a student of history in England and I am really interested in military history, in particular WW2, but Korea and Vietnam as well, I was wondering if anyone could explain what a Regimental Combat Team was as I have read about them being used in Korea but there was no explanation as to what they actually consisted of or what their purpose was.

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An RCT is a independent Regimental size ( approx. 1100-3200 troops) maneuver unit that is not part of Division. ?However it may be detached from a Div. for a specific operation, campaign, etc. ?This unit would be tasked organized much like the Armored Cav units that we were speaking about or my old unit the 197th Mech Bde (Separate). ?The RCT would be a combined arms unit and would have all the assets it needed to operate independently or inconjunction with other units in sector as seen fit by the Corps or Army Cdr. ?For example, most RCTs would consist of 2-4 Bns of Infantry and Tanks, plus maybe an FA Bn, a Combat Engineer Co., a Armored Cav Troop, AAA(ADA) Bty or 2, etc., etc. ?These units would come under the overall command of the Regimental Cdr and his staff. ?These units may be from the same Div., and/or separate Corps or Army assets. ?RCTs are no longer used in the modern US Army. The Armored Cav Rgts, are the closest thing to them today. ?The US Army's principle of Co. Teams and Bn Task Forces can trace their roots back to the WWII/ Korean War RCTs. ?The Bde sized Battle Groups (BG) are rarely if ever seen anymore, but would be equal to an RCT.

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Haarken,  the Commonwealth troops in Korea didnt use this plna, but as a consequence doctrine was rapidly changed to ensure that most Brigades were allocated their own supporting arms (Arty, Eng etc) so that in effect a UK/Aust Bde today is a RCT of old

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that may be changing again...if our news is getting it right, we're going to combine regiments again...so our COC and Opperational Force(s) are going to change (I think there is only going to be Infantary rather than Heavy / Light definition) politics is interfearing with the millitary over here again...

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Yes, my SF buddy home on leave told me the US Army is thinking about reorganizing a bit. And Divisions might consist of 3-4 Brigade Battle Groups or what sounds a lot like RCTs.  On today's battlefield, that's the way they end up being deployed ... Battle Groups consisting of Bn TFs with support elements.  Combined  Arms and Flexibility - we all learned from the Germans in WWII ... and warfare hasn't been the same since.  :;):

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Yes, my SF buddy home on leave told me the US Army is thinking about reorganizing a bit. And Divisions might consist of 3-4 Brigade Battle Groups or what sounds a lot like RCTs. ?On today's battlefield, that's the way they end up being deployed ... Battle Groups consisting of Bn TFs with support elements. ?Combined ?Arms and Flexibility - we all learned from the Germans in WWII ... and warfare hasn't been the same since. ?:;):

In other words, you can't really blame GW for changing their fluff, then..... :p  :p

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Well reorganisation is warranted though - what we do now is vastly different to what we did (and what we thought we would be doing) 20 years ago.  The demise of the massed tank hordes in East Germany have changed the focus somewhat

Great to see an operational airdrop in '03 though- it will ensure we keep a para element alive and I'm sure you'll appreciate that L4!

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And politics ALWAYS interferes with the military....they have the purse strings! :D




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but not the brains or skills...the big bone of contention is the loss of famous or local regiments and there history, 4 years time I can't see GW just trashing an entire chapter or Regiment just because how they are deployed and what they do...like we seem to be doing...(and they wonder why recruitment and moral is going through the floor...)

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oh, and I get worried when the army complain about being stretched, over stretched, now I'm no Vet,but my current squeze is a corps person, and she was complaining about lack of equipment...forgot to mention that and all because of the internal Audit and study...she came back from her tour in Iraq when I met her...

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Well "V", reorganization isn't fluff ! :;):  And yes Tas, the Airborne will be around for a while ! :D  My one friend, I served in the ROK, jumped into N. Irag during the invasion. But with the demise of the Soviet Union, the great tank battles are a thing of the past (accept in Epic !) . However, AFVs still  will be around too ! :laugh:   No surprise "k", most armies, even the good one's, are always short stuff.  :)

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