GlynG wrote:
Do you have any changes planned for the core SM list Kyus or are you happy with it?
I have no changes planned, the main codex list works well, and has worked well for years, it's a good yardstick to measure the power level of other lists against, and is perfectly competitive when used sensibly as the EUK stats would suggest
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I lost most of my motivation for the Black Templars years ago (perhaps I’ll go back to them eventually) and I never tested the Minotaurs (I don’t know if anyone ever did) and that fanlist might be best left to quietly die unless someone has a burning desire to take it on.
I think the Black Templars list has legs and I'd like to see someone take it forward, are you willing to continue as AC for it? otherwise I'll advertise for someone to take it over (I seem to recall someone was fanlisting it recently)
Minotaurs I'll take your point, it can sit as a fanlist
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I might be up for testing changes to the core list or Blood Angels or possibly working up a Primaris Marines list (eventually, various other lists higher priority). Given the lesser amount of testers and playtesting these days I would strongly encourage you trying to focus people to playtest one list at a time to approval Kyuss rather than lots of little bits of effort here and there that don’t get there. Pick a list you think is close and want to work on first? Either Blood Angels or Dark Angels sound fine.
That really is wishful thinking Glyn, I've been involved in development for years now and basically the rule is that people will develop what they want to.... you really can't herd the cats of NetEA, you have to take what you can get, or trade batreps for batreps which I've semi-successfully done with Dave
The alternative is to assemble a 'playtest team' of 5-6 players from 3 groups who will play six games with whatever lists are available, but even that may be beyond my powers....
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Primaris Marines would justify a dedicated list for sure though. They are considerably different tactically and not just larger versions of old marines. Backgroundwise there are whole chapters of pure Primaris Marines (none of the older sort) and regular chapters now incorporate some in their armies. I reckon the best way to do this would be to have a dedicated Primaris Marine list (that could be tested and approved if there was enough interest) and to allow any existing SM list to take Primaris Marine formations as part of its allied 1/3 in friendly games only.
I've thrown together a couple of example profiles that illustrate how different they would be:
Intercessor Marines (Tactical Marine equivalent). 15cm move, 2+ sv, 4+CC, 4+FF. +1 EA in CC. No ranged attack of any kind (they carry only bolter variants and never special or heavy weapons)
Inceptor Marines (closest to Assault Marines, though they specialise in short range shooting) 30cm move 4+ sv 4+CC 2+FF, shooting Twin Assault Bolters 3 x 15cm AP4+. Jump Packs. Note these stats for the Interceptors assume them to be based having 3 on a base (their usual squad size) rather than 5 on a base.
I'm really not interested in putting a primaris marine list together for NetEA, mostly because I predict that in the next 2-3 years they will simply supersede the existing codex marines and will be the new standard, I'm thinking that they should either sit as a fanlist or be dumped into the kitchen sink list
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If you read the White Scars background and their Horus Heresy novels WS bikers tactics involved regular hit and run attacks and feigned flight. People have proposed various special rules to accomplish this but it seems unnecessary and just making the core Biker formation 4 strong (for cheaper) rather than 5 would neatly achieve this. Having an 8 strong Biker formation that is much harder to break is utterly wrong for how the WS should fight and makes the list poor and restrictive in game terms. The WS are one of my favourite chapters but I also have no interest in using any current WS list – I’d use a Ravenwing heavy Epic-UK Dark Angels list with ‘counts as’ to better represent them.
Jimmy is developing the new White Scars list and I've got no intention of letting him off the hook with it either, I'd suggest everyone talking White Scars go and harass him in the relevant thread