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 Post subject: this is what ive got, help me build somethin'
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:05 pm 
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i played epic way back in the days of space marine, but missed epic 40k and armageddon. a bunch of people in our LGS are getting into epic and aeronautica, so i figured i would jump in and make an ork army.

heres what i have so far:

from ebay, i got 1 box of 'epic ork invasion' i.e. this:
10x Standard Bearers
10x Ork Boarboyz
10x war Buggies
10x Ork Warbosses
10x Warbikes
20x Stormboyz
20x Wildboyz
10x Tractor Beams
20x Madboyz
160x Ork Boyz
20x Gretchin
20x Ork nobz
40x Orks with Heavy Weapons

1 blister of flakwagons (so 4 wagons)

4 forgeworld fighta bommas

and a bag of vehicles i got from a buddy for $10. as near as i can tell, its this:

25 little battlewagons
13 plastic gunwagons
4 gunfortresses
3 metal gunwagons
1 lifta droppa
2 unassembled stompas
10 unassembled wagons



id like to run a predominantly infantry force with some mobile elements as a reserve type thing. i was thinking of using the old battlewagons as buggies for a kult of speed. from what i gather by reading these forums, oddboys are the bling, so i need them. im thinking of using the metal gunwagons and the lifta droppa as oddboys.

im not opposed to buying more stuff, in fact id like some more stompas plus dreads/kans and maybe even a gargant. definitely a landa with some ladz in it too.

anyhow, any basic ideas on a list given this stuff i have? i need to know about how many bases i need to order to base the infantry.

thanks for the help,

hag

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 4:15 pm 
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Its a little tricky to come up with an Infantry Horde style list from the stuff you have there, You have a good backbone but need a few things.

You have plenty of Ork boys but are low on grots which are a very important element of an Ork infantry horde style army.

Formations you can currently make which can form a good basis for an army include

Big Mekboy Gunsmob, Pts = 325
Use the tractor beams.
2 Big Guns (Oddboys-Soopa Guns) these will need a bit of fairly easy conversion, 8 Big guns.

This is a very good garrison unit.


Fighta Sqwadron, Pts = 200
4 Fighta Bommers.

Good formation with anti tank attacks which can strike where and when you want and also give you some anti air capacity to supplement the Flakwagons.


Big Blitz Brigade, Pts = 350
Use the Gunwagons and Flakwagons.
2 Gunwagons (Oddboys-Zzap) - Use the lifta droppa and convert the other, 2 GUnwagons, 4 Flakwagons.

Staple of the ork list gives fast anti warengine capability. If you buy another blister of Flakwagons you can field two of these formations.


If you can get some infantry off ebay or perhaps buy a box from GW, get or convert a Landa and Supastompa then maybe something like the following would work.

Big Warband, Pts = 400
4 Nobz, 14 Ork Boys, 6 Grotz.

Big Warband, Pts = 400
4 Nobz, 14 Ork Boys, 6 Grotz.

Big Blitz Brigade, Pts = 350
2 Gunwagons (+Oddboys-Zzap), 2 Gunwagons, 4 Flakwagons.

Big Blitz Brigade, Pts = 350
2 Gunwagons (+Oddboys-Zzap), 2 Gunwagons, 4 Flakwagons.

Mekboy Big Gunz Mob, Pts = 325
2 Big Gunz (+Oddboys-Soopa), 8 Big Guns.

Fighta Squadron, Pts = 150
3 Fighta Bommers.

Warband, Pts = 200
2 Nobz, 6 Ork Boys, 2 Grotz

Stormboys Warhorde, Pts = 150
6 Stormboys.

Mekboy Stompamob, Pts = 475
1 Supastompa, 3 Stompas.

Landa, Pts = 200
1 Ork Landa.

Instead of the small warband (which goes in the Landa) you could use the warbikes and boarboys to make a Kult of Speed of 8 Warbikes (using the boarboys to count as warbikes), which could also go in the Landa.


All the Gunwagons, Gunfortress's, buggies etc probably make it easier to go down a route of a more mechanised army type if you didnt want to get any more stuff.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 9:11 am 
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thanks a lot for the reply, i appreciate it.

its distressing that it is so hard to get as many grots as you need :( sniff sniff. i think i will swap out some grots for boyz on the grot stands to make them go a little farther. they need runtherdz after all :p

that list sounds just like what i was lookin for but dont have the know how to construct myself (at least until i get some games under my belt).

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:02 am 
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Don't forget that it is acceptable for infantry to be between 3 - 7 models on a base. It may help the grots go a little bit further!


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 Post subject: Re: this is what ive got, help me build somethin'
PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:48 am 
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Given you want a mechanised force you may wish to check out the speed freaks list as that doesn't need gretchin! You can then sell/swap the gretchin and other units for more speed freek stuff! :) A good combined document for ork army lists is here
http://epic-uk.co.uk/lists/Epic-UK Ork Codex.pdf

You might be able to do a 1 for 1 swap with others for the gretchin with your madboyz, wildboyz and stormboyz as other lists like them (and they are otherwise unavailable).
Otherwise pm evil and chaos as he might have a fair few gretchin laying around.

However, you could just make them up as well as use them as gretchin. It would be clear they aren't normal boyz. In your ork army clearly the wildness, disiplin or madness makes them expendable just like gretchin :)

So, given that you could go and buy another box of infantry on ebay, or collection of old orks on ebay, which makes use of all those lovely banners and warbosses etc that you can't get anymore (in fact do this! :) Then come back for more advice :) ). But assuming you don't heres how I would make it up

'Nobz' - 10 stands total
1 stand of 4 warbosses and 1 banner - Your supreme commander
6 stands of 1 warboss, 1 banner, 1 heavy weapon, 2 nobz
2 sands of 1 banner, 3 Nobz, 1 heavy weapon
1 stand of 1 banner, 2 nobz, 1 heavy weapon, 1 boy

'Warbikes' - 10 stands
Again someone would be happy to swap boarboyz for warbikes no doubt - but until them make them all up and use them all as warbikes.
10x Ork Boarboyz - 2 per base, 5 units
10x Warbikes - 2 per base, 5 units

'Gretchin' - '17' stands
Proper Grotz
5 bases - 1 boy (the runtherd), 4 grotz
Then make up the stormboyz, wildboyz and madboyz as more grotz as needed - 12 stands - Again though you can probably swap them!

10x war Buggies - 10 war buggies :)

10x Tractor Beams - 10 big guns
Covert 2 (add bigger gun etc) into oddboys. I prefer zaps for infantry.

Boyz
154x Ork Boyz
31x Orks with Heavy Weapons
Make as many as you like :) 4 boyz and 1 heavy weapon is good

So all that suggests for an infantry force
'Big' boyz mob 350
4 Nobz
12 Ork boyz
4 grotz

'Big' boyz mob 350
4 Nobz
12 Ork boyz
4 grotz

Could mechanise these chaps with the gunfortresses, or with battle and gun wagons. If not mechanised worth considering if you wish to add extra boyz and grotz to them. Otherwise add things like both the stompas and a flak wagon.

Normal boyz mob 200 + 50
2 nobz
6 ork boyz
4 grotz
+ 2 ork boyz, 2 grotz
You can mechanise them for 140 points with 4 battlewagons, if doing that I would throw in a couple of flakwagons as well. Or you could use the gunfortresses. They also fit neatly into a lander!

big guns mob 175
4 tractor beams
1 supa zap

big guns mob 175
4 tractor beams
1 supa zap

Kult of speed 275
10 warbikes
1 buggie

Kult of speed 225
9 buggies

Big blitz brigade 350
Now the 'ideal' for me compostition is a ratio of 1 oddboy, 1 gunwagon and 2 flak. however you haven't got much flak. So...
2 oddboy supa guns
2 flakwagons
4 gunwagons

Normal blitz brigade 200
1 oddboy zap gun
2 gunwagons
1 flakwagon

Normal blitz brigade 200
1 oddboy zap gun
2 gunwagons
1 flakwagon

Fighta squadron - 200
4 fightas/fighta bombers

All that is 2750 points.
Add in gunfortresses to mechanise something and you can spend another 500 points (125 each). Alternatively use a bunch of gunwagons and battlewagons to machanise a big mob.
You do have to make one of the 350 point formations bigger to avoid having more than 1 BTS, adding stompa or mechanising one of the big mobs would seem to be the answer there. Or even just adding some boyz and grotz. To make a 3000 point force you would most easily add battlewagons to a big mob for 280 and cut 30 points elsewhere (ok not that hard) or get rid 125 points of extras (the extra kult of speed units and 1 boy + grot) to add 3 gunwagons to the small boyz formation. Or just have another gunwagon mob with some extra boyz and grotz for one of the infantry hordes.

For the future - stompa mob with supa stompa and maybe some dreds! As well as everything else :)


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