RePosted from NetEpic_Yahoo

Has anyone come up with NetEpic stats for
the new Forge World Blight Drones?
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/blightdrone.htm

NetEpic is now spread so thinly, over so many forums,
that I'm sure it must have been mentioned somewhere, elsewhere:
http://tinyurl.com/kofsdr
But, not finding any threads _here_
My initial (completely out of the blue, random & non-binding) thoughts would be as follows:

Blight Drone: Daemon Engine of Nurgle
30 cm 6+ +3 Blight Cannon/Pustulence - - 6+ -2 Skimmer special

_Blight Cannon_
Use the small teardrop template and place it touching the
Blight Drone within a 180-degree FRONT arc.
Any model under the template is destroyed on a 5+ (models with a fixed save may save).
The stream does not affect a Titan / Praetorian.
This is a physical psychic attack.

_Pustulence_
Use the small teardrop template and place it touching the
Blight Drone within a 180-degree REAR arc.
Any model under the template is destroyed on a 5+ (models with a fixed save may save).
The stream does not affect a Titan / Praetorian.
This is a physical psychic attack.

In effect:
A fast, short-ranged CC oriented land-speeder

(The 'Pustulence' concept is based on
the Gnurgle PlagueShip effects from Man'o'War;
leaving slimy trails in their wake:
I've often ruminated that at least some
Nurgle units should have some similair sort of slime-trail....)



Its probably just easier to use them as proxies
for the 'Breath of Nurgle' unit.....?

(Where/when did -that- unit come from, anyway...?)

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Replies cross-posted from NetEpic_yahoo

--- In netepic@yahoogroups.com, scott lewis wrote:
> I like it, how many pts? for how many? You could also treat the template like
a mark of >Nurgle, but let armored units take their normal armor save. Just a
thought.
> Scott Lewis

Offhand?

A support card of three would be, ah..150?

A support card of Seven would be, um...250?

I no longer have my NetEpicPointsCostFormulaExcelSpreadSheet (NEPCFESSâ„¢),
so those numbers are very, very "ballpark"-ish

I''m intriqued by the idea of treating the 'pustulence' template as
a Mark of Nurgle,
but have no idea how to calculate the points for it-

--- In netepic@yahoogroups.com, Anders Duzaine Hansen wrote:
> I alwaise thougth about the slime thing and had a House rule but it  
> has never been tested. Basicly thought a rectangular 2or3 by 10 cm  
> slime template draged behind the Unit to iludate the curosive slime  
> trail left behaind by any nugle (demon posesed) unit and nearly the  
> same rule but a hit on 4 and no (or maybe  a -1) tsm but Will damege  
> any unit inclusive titans that crose the template.
>   Will make my home made template avaibel throught my site
>
> Send via my iPhone


I think I'm going to rummage through my Man'O'War stuff and see what that
template looks like...

> trail left behaind by any nugle (demon posesed) unit

I'm thinking Greater Daemons, Daemon Engines, Praetorians & Titans....
Thats' just me though

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I'd be more ok with the pustulance being a barrage it can bomb while moving, like the squat airships bombs,
but being BP1@ and that all the stands in detachment combining them into 1 barrage,

something like
Pustulence* 0cm BP1@ 0 *Bomb, Ignores Cover

obviously that would be overkill with a detachment of 7 (or the pricetag should be higher considering how easy it would be to hit with that many in a detachment...) and while 7 might be the chaos magical number nothing else in the chaoslist uses it so I think the detachment should be 3,4,5 stands ...

same with the blightcannon, make it melta like but with the small teardrop,
perhaps with ignore cover
Blightcannon Template -2, Ignores Cover

but thats pretty damn good so I think it needs to be made worse
-2 + ignore cover is pure death to infantry, and to me blightcannon doesnt seem like a tank/titan killing weapon, it looks like an infantry killing weapon...

Yeah, I agree these probably should be kinda like speeders with a uniquely Nurgle (moderate) anti-infantry weapon.  I'd drop the "smelly fart trailing behind" concept as it really doesn't translate that well from MoW, and give them a 2BP 0TSM Ignores Cover small teardrop that doesn't have to be combined.  Detachment size of 5 to give Nurgle a cheapish fast attack option.

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Well, the Slime Trail idea comes about
based upon some of the better models I've seen out there:
http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery....201.jpg
(Bottom Three images)
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/blightdrone.htm

I'd hate to discard it simply out of hand,
as i think it's a reasonably interesting and simple mechanic ("Crunchy Bit")
that expresses a very Nurgle-ey 'feel' ("Fluffy Bit"):
Mechanics that invoke the background are relatively few, and should be utilized IMO...

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Having re-organized my much ignored Chaos hordes,
I have discovered something else in Favour of Blight Thralls
(although it is fairly self-evident, in reflection):


Visually; Blight Thralls fullfill the same function
as the original sprue's Chaos Beasts dedicated to the other three Powers
(eg: Khorne Juggers, Slaaneshi Steed riders, and Tzeentchian Disc Riders).
fielded en masse, Gnurgle is no longer 'the ignored Power'...

Although it does tend down the path of  'Army Homogenization'
(ie every army having every type of unit, losing 'character')
the addition of this unit absolutely Does
increase GNurgles visual appeal on the Tabletop.

No, I don't have photos yet,
but I did run the Numbers:
I'm currently fielding
100 Juggernaught Riders, 70 Fiend Riders, 50 Discriders, and (soon!) 30 Thralls.

I quite like the proportions,
and I do feel the addition of this unit adds some needed Balance
to the Chaos Forces;
Visually at  least (GamePlay to be determined).

Now; I do have some question as to whether or no Blight Thralls
should be allowed to move as fast as I have proposed initially,
as Gnurgle is traditionally a slower moving force, akin to squats:
Anyone have any thoughts on the subject...?

As a complete aside;
I have been playing with alternate nomenclature;
as I feelthe name "Blight Thrall"is less than prosaic...

How' bout  'Blight _FLIES_",or 'Carrion Flies' or 'Cluster Flies' ( of Gnurgle') ...?
http://tinyurl.com/y8lw9fa
http://tinyurl.com/y9jc9ew
(hehee...clusterflies..."that sure is a clusterfly situation"...)
the swarm/CC/imagery is communicated in Epic Scale quite well,IMO...


On the Tabletop,
I can picture a swarm of them descending on a target
(perhaps a Wounded Titan)
and picking it "clean", spawning a new Swarm...but that's a new mechanic...

{edited: fixed broken links}

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They are cool models to be sure, but not really solid precedent for establishing rules    

You are correct in pointing out that Nurgle is a slow army and the fast Blight Drones don't fit very well thematically.  However, there's nothing to stop a Nurgle general purchasing detachments of (admittedly fairly weak) bikes from the standard list now, so adding Blight Drones in detachment size wouldn't be game breaking as long as they aren't too uber.

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Hi Volstagg, nice Avatar btw.

Just a few comments if you will excuse the rabid slobber...


The Nurgle Slime trail looks good on paper but like with Bubonous it's not very practical in game.

Didn't Nurgle used to be allowed Chaos Marine Land Speeders in the old Space Marine rules. I recall seeing them in a picture in one of the books. I also remember they could take bikes too. So if they could turn a blind eye to it then..? Besides the whole "Nurgle is slow" thing, didn't it transfer from one of the many recent Chaos 40K Codex lists into the NetEpic list? (??? So we listen to 40K stats when it suits some people and not when it can be used to argue others down, hmmm, cake and eat it too...)

Now, it does make sense that Nurgle is slow, and I increased Nurgle armour saves to off set this disadvantage. But that doesn't mean that everything will/should be slow. That would make Nurgle a Tactical dead end IMO.

Blight Flies would make an awesome addition and I salute anyone who brings some new life and game choice into Epic. I agree with Zap in that I too would prefer the choices to be limited to a small size detachments only (say three Blight Flies in each) and the stats to be light but with a light cost in points to go with it. They are expendable drones after all.

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blight flies ... that just screams cool deployement for me..
say you buy a detachment of 3, they dont enter as usual instead when a nurgle unit kills an enemy unit the nurgleplayers can choose to place the  fly detachments where the killed stand is or something, would be ûbercool, course, then it wouldnt be any landspeeder type of unit, but it would be pretty fun to play with

You mean like another template effect?

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[img]http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk120/Warhead40k/Tyranid%20Swarm/DSC02262.jpg[/img]

sure why not, place 1-3 templates where killed unit is, give them like +2 or +4 CC a good COVER save (its hard to shoot out flies if you dont have weapons ignoring cover like flamers etc) and let them move like ordinary units

So, the initial suggestions seem to point towards a unit
somewhere between a Bike and a Landspeeder in ability,
possibly slower moving, with a better save,
and no new mechanics, please!

Is that about  right?
I will advocate for a support card of Five (rather than three)
and stats in line with the Khorne Jugger, Tzeentch Disc, & Slaanesh Beast....

I am somewhat handicapped, as I have no way to compare
what Forge World's 40K version is like in current functionally;
I don't play 4th ed (or is it 5th now?)
Has anyone got the Rules for these puppies that can extrapolate comparative abilities...?

I'm also interested in what the current canon says about their origin, "fluff-wise";
Honestly; To me, they appear to be no more nor less than Beasts of Gnurgle
that somebody grafted armour onto, kinda like a Khorne Juggernaught...
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/bdrotate.htm
http://tinyurl.com/yk9ezao
http://tinyurl.com/ydoz77q

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