As requested by the Army Champion Honda, please find attached my proposal for the future (final) direction for the Tau army list.


Note that I would expect a Tau 'armour' themed army list to follow, which would include all of the non-canon units that have been removed over the last few versions, such as the Moray and the Swordfish, as well as every alternative Hammerhead turret choice.

My proposal is contingent on the army champion putting together an 'armoured' theme Tau army list proposal ASAP, to allow all those who have invested time and effort into collecting and converting the absent units a list with which to use them.


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Version 1.07 can be found here.

Version 1.06 can be found here.

Version 1.05 can be found here.

Version 1.04 can be found here.

Version 1.03 can be found here.

Version 1.02 can be found here.


Or click below for Version 1.01:

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First off, thanks for posting this E&C.

Now to rip it apart... *laugh*

That's a pretty big boost for markerlights as the entire enemy formation gets marker if even a single unit is in range.  As well, sustaining Guided Missiles will be hitting on a 3+... that's pretty good, along with all the other then improved shooting... certainly makes Tau... shooty!

I like the initiative changes.

I still don't think the "Armoured Cadre" should be a core formation for the basic Tau list and *especially* not at nine units... just seems like far to big and unwieldy a formation for Tau.  A support formation of base four tanks with the chance to add 2 more would be fine for the base list.

Why the two entries for Fire Warrior Cadres?  Why not just "Add 4 Devilfish for +100 points"? since there's no discount or other point changes.  I still believe the basic Fire Warrior Cadre should be 6 Fire Warrior units (add 3 Devilfish if desired).

I have no issue with the removed units, personally glad to see them out of the list.

Good to see the Human Auxilia returned.

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I mostly agree with Chroma, the ML boost is too much, especially since the +1 affects GMs as well. My preference would be something along the lines of:

When firing at a Marked formation, all AP fire gains +1 to hit, or GMs can be fired. Note that both benefits cannot be claimed.

Drop Hammerheads to a support formation, 4 (+2) is a nice size. Note that this is what the peer review called for. A core formation of 9 is silly; this isn't guard.

Ditto the two FW formations can be combined.

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That's a pretty big boost for markerlights as the entire enemy formation gets marker if even a single unit is in range.  As well, sustaining Guided Missiles will be hitting on a 3+... that's pretty good, along with all the other then improved shooting... certainly makes Tau... shooty!

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AT4+ would become standard for GMs, even without sustaining. That's just too much for what is identical to an AT6+ krak missile.


I'd prefer to avoid a standard formation size of 4 as that doesn't match FW's pack size.

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As your list is now I can't see anyone taking anything except small ML formations and long ranged big Hammerhead formations. That doesn't actually fix the current problems.

The point of removing the AP missiles is to leave only short ranged AP. It's this short-ranged AP that should get a boost with the ML change, not the long ranged AT elsewhere in the list that already does extremely well.

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Then the Markerlights could be restricted to 'just' improving AP shots, and allowing Guided Missiles to fire...

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Then the basic Guided Missile stat goes from AT5+ to AT6+.

Meaning that only other weapons get a boost from this change, not Guided Missiles.

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Is the world scheduled to end today, because I didn't see it in my calender...  

Back to the debate... and where is everyone else?

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For upgrades, from firewarriors on are you allowing any upgrade to be taken by any core our support formation outside of the listed exceptions? It seem it could make for some very odd unit parings.

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*laugh*  I think there's more than a "suggestion" here, there's a whole bunch of stuff; you think nothing at all in E&C's proposal is worth examining, Hena?

This is specifically what Honda asked for from the community, to not "bother" is a disservice to the list and the community, especially as a NetERC member.  Sorry to be harsh, but it's our (the NetERC) job to "bother".

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What about markerlights coming more in line with their use in 40k as a shooting "enhancer", not just a Guided Missile guide?

I think that's a concept worth exploring as it allows Tau to "emulate" support fire in a way.

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I like it somewhat.
Sure Hammerheads should be removed from Core and added to Support as 6 +2 formation.
GMs to-hit value should be AT6+ so with Markerlights (and only then)they can be fired with AT5+.
Markerlights shouldn't be combineable with Sustain orders.

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