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AMTL 3.08
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:01 pm 
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Here we are, with the War Gryphons Titan Legion list.

I'm going to start this list on V3.0, because not only does it draw from the debates that have been occuring here over the last few months, but it also draws from AMTL 2.0, and that influence cannot be underestimated.

War Gryphons Titan Legion V3.08

It is not entirely inconcievable that we might find ourselves returning to the AMTL 2.0 weapons structure in time (Should this list be found wanting), but I've been asked to put together an AMTL list, and it is my belief that in concept this list has the potential to end up both more balance, and more characterful, than the AMTL2.0 system.

I do not expect it to start out as such.



Initial things to focus on:

- Relative balance of weapons.

- Many might remember the various 'Catastrophic damage charts' from previous versions of Epic. Should it be re-introduced in this more limited manner?




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For the long-term future, I would also like to see a method of incorporating the Imperator and Warmonger into the list in a 'collector's' section at the least.

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:20 pm 
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@Hena:

1 - I'm aware of the issue with Knights especially. I intend that they either get their own army list, or that they are fully re-worked from a background perspective so that they fit thematically with the rest of the AMTL army.

2 - I saw no reason not to rename a weapon or two to provide commonality with 40k's naming conventions; I'm 100% certain that if Epic was re-written at this point, the Missile Launcher would be renamed in this manner.

3 - Turbolaser is there (Now known as double-barelled turbolaser, again for commonality with 40k). The biggest missing 'weapon' at the moment is the Corvus Assault pod. I'm not adverse to seeing its return after we detirmine to what extent infantry should feature in this list (Or whether the Corvus should only be available to a Titan in the Skitarii army list, for example). The naming conventions are designed to be forwards-compatable with upcoming developments in 40k (Those that I am aware of in any case) so that the list will not need changing in future.

4 - I think I've covered my thoughts on this one, and I want to see it tried, just once, before we admit defeat.

5 - This was in order to keep the prices on the army list page simple and concise.

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:28 pm 
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It feels odd that the weapons are differently named *shrug*.


Remember that AMTL 2.0 took liberties with the naming coventions too (All Warhound Weapons renamed to 'Light weaponname).


Select a warhead type from below, Indirect Fire, One-Shot. +100pts

And the note about at what point you select that warhead?

I can be convinced either way, when you write the army list, or when you see your opponent's army, but it should be specifically covered so as to avoid debates down the line.

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:38 pm 
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Weapons that were in the lists proper have not been changed. Unless I have managed to miss something, in which case point it out please.


Warhound Titan weapons were renamed in the following manner:

- Vulcan Megabolter became Light Vulcan Megabolter
- Inferno gun became Light Inferno gun

etc.

This was in order that a second set of Battle Titan sized weapons could exist with the same name but different stats (The Battle class Turbolaser having extra range, for example).

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:44 pm 
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First look: All the Titans are listed as Type: Armoured Vehicle when they are in fact War Engines. (fixed already)

The Ordinati are correct though. Otherwise, congratulations and Good Luck, the header AMTL 3.0 had me looking into this section for the first time in months!


Edit: While I?m at it, Melta Cannon extra attack lacks "Small Arms" designation (nitpicky for sure, but better clear this up early), Vortex Warhead probably needs MW designation.

Shifted to correct thread.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:46 pm 
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Before I start the process of begging for the bits that I want returned,

Ordinatus (Minoris & Majoris) are the cost for the weapons added on to the basic cost? E.G. Ordinatus Minoris plus Vulcano Cannon is 150pts or 200pts (150+50).

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
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All the Titans are listed as Type: Armoured Vehicle when they are in fact War Engines.


Cut and paste is a wonderful thing. :)

Edit: While I?m at it, Melta Cannon extra attack lacks "Small Arms" designation (nitpicky for sure, but better clear this up early), Vortex Warhead probably needs MW designation.

I'll attend to both of those.

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:49 pm 
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Before I start the process of begging for the bits that I want returned,


Please do.

Feel free to start new threads for any specific issues.

Ordinatus (Minoris & Majoris) are the cost for the weapons added on to the basic cost? E.G. Ordinatus Minoris plus Vulcano Cannon is 150pts or 200pts (150+50).

Yes, although points costs for the hulls and weapons of course are provisional.

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Plasma Blastgun should be noted as Slow Firing as well.

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:07 pm 
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(Tiny-Tim @ Mar. 07 2008,15:02)
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Plasma Blastgun should be noted as Slow Firing as well.

Got it.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:17 pm 
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Ok, Am I correct in assuming that the below list would be classified as a legal list then.

1- Reaver Battle Titan - Plasma Gun, Melta Cannon & Las Burner (FF) + Carapace Multi Lasers - 600+0+50+0+50 = 700
2- Warhound Pack - 2x Vulcan Mega-Bolters each = 500
3- Warhound Pack - 2x Vulcan Mega-Bolters each = 500
4- Warhound - 2x Inferno Guns = 275
5- Sentinals = 100
6- Ordinatus Minorus - Plasma Cannon - 150+25 = 175
7- Ordinatus Minorus - Plasma Blastgun = 150
8- Ordinatus Minorus - Plasma Blastgun = 150
9- Ordinatus Minorus - Plasma Blastgun = 150
10- Ordinatus Minorus - Plasma Blastgun = 150
11- Ordinatus Minorus - Las Burner = 150

11 Activations, 16 Models, 3 Core, 2 Support & 6 Allies and an awful lot of Plasma (I am even now considering just fielding Plasma Blastguns on all the Warhounds.

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