Doomkitten wrote:
That shouldn't be an excuse to go overboard and make overpowered Dark Angels. After the fire storm over the squats that the Australians created I don't think we need another one that can be easily avoided by not discounting all other feedback, even if you don't personally like it.
I was wondering wether to post this reply - I hope it is taken in good cheer.
The Australian community was kind of befuddled and taken about about the firestorm of the terrain rules that erupted on Taccoms a month or two back. As the guy who made the initial post that started that thread I feel partially responsible. But I do wish to clarify what actually occurred.
1) There was a big tournament in Australia that was won by squats.
2) The Squat AC (myself) made a post about this and indicated that we might need to tone down some of the Squat units
3) Various taccoms posters quickly started many a post saying the results were due to "Crazy Australian Terrain rules" that spawned a multi forum thread about all the different aspects of terrain, house rules etc.etc.
4) It was only resolved when a few of the rules meisters stepped in an pointed out that the tourney in question was running the vanilla terrain rules from the book.
How is this relevant? I do want to clarify that although the Australians don't have the crazy houseruled terrain, we do have a
distinct australian meta.
There are quite a few players here that are
very good at using air attacks and levering the teleporting rules. As a result many local players have developed heavy counter-strategies. Few local players will take to the field without a lots of good Anti-Air for the aircraft and lots of scouts and chaff to stop teleporters.
As a result, vanilla space marines have taken a hit in their effectiveness as two of their strong cards,
teleporting terminators and thunderhawk insertions, are much more difficult to pull off.
There has been a fair bit of discussion within the local club about this, and have to say that I lean towards disagreeing with some of the posts made by fellow Aussies that claim that "Vanilla Space Marines are a weak list" but offering the more nuanced view that "
some of the main tactics favoured by Vanilla Space Marines are less effective in the local scene".
I hope this brings some understanding of
why there is some differing opinion.
This message is put forward in the interest of inter-continental epic peace and love.