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Battle of the Thames - Epic Minigeddon 2014 @ London, 2. Nov

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:49 pm 
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Separate post, Florian asked if we had any suggestions for Minigeddon lists and I want to suggest the addition of a new core formation to the Vanaheim list for Minigeddon.

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5 Vanaheim Infantry
1 Vanaheim Commander
2 Valkyries
1Vendetta

The explicit vendetta (rather then 3 valks with choice of vendetta) is to prevent cheap 250pt spamming of 6bp, this only allows 4bp to be spammed.

It would add flexibility to the Vanaheim list at this points scale as in the minigeddon format the list has very few options and is contrained to either 3 or 4 formations.

Either you take 1 400pt core Air Cav Co. OR 2 of those Cos. The 2 Air Cav Co then only leave space for 2 light sentinel formations while the 1 Core co. then only allows for 2 more formations (1 core = 2 support), the Vanaheim have no legal allies formations (all aircraft).

The 250pt formation suggested above I would probably be used in a list as follows

250pt Co.
250pt Co.
4 Vultures 300pts
4 light sentinels 100pts
4 light sentinels 100pts

Giving 5 activations, a total of 2 4bp single shot barrages.

Another potential option would be

250pt Co.
250pt Co.
250pt Co.
4 Light Sentinels 100pts
4 Support Sentinels 150pts


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 Post subject: Re: Battle of the Thames - Epic Minigeddon 2014 @ London, 2.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:01 am 
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FINAL RESULTS:

Here we go then!
The 2nd Battle of the Thames is over!

And the winner is.... *drumroll*
RICHARD LAKIN

He commanded his Tau force with lots of blood and sweat through four crazy rounds and managed to put himself just in front of close runner-up Mark Webster and his Speed Freeks.

Well deserved, he claims this years BOTT objective marker for himself and the South London Wargamers!
Congratulation! :)

Here are the full results.

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Also Congratulations to 3rd place, our own Chris Hayes with his Siegemasters.
This years wooden spoon and full Minigeddon army got claimed by David Last and his Vanaheim. He took it like the great sport he is. Be prepared for his strong return next year!

The free ticket for the upcoming Full Scale Assault tournament went to Robert Crowhurst and his fantastic Orcs.

On the painting side we have seen a very close battle between our own Radoslaw Niemiec with his superb Red Scorpion Marines and Nick Alder's incredible Blood Angels! Both armies had amazing detail and highly creative conversions.
Our players had a very hard time deciding which army was more stunning and in the end the trophy and Emperor Titan went to Nick with just one vote difference. I am sure we see more from both painters in the future!

Again, it has been a great joy for me seeing so many new faces and witnessing so much Epic!
I hope everybody had a awesome day and thanks again for coming down to the Central London Wargamers.

More pictures and reports coming soon.

Cu again next year!

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Some of the armies on parade...


Charles's Ulthwe
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Richard's Tau (1st Place)
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Rad's Red Scorpions (Runner up best painted)
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That army ;)
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Some of Nick A's Blood Angels (Best Painted)
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Nick M's steel legion
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David's Vanaheim (wooden spoon)
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Chris' Biel Tan (painted by Richard L)
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 Post subject: Re: Battle of the Thames - Epic Minigeddon 2014 @ London, 2.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:27 am 
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Amended the Minigeddon page with the Vanaheim changes.

What are people's impressions of the free Supreme Commander for Orks? Is it too much at minigeddon scale? Most other armies have their freebies taken out (avatar) or reduced accordingly (Commissars).

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carlos wrote:
Amended the Minigeddon page with the Vanaheim changes.

What are people's impressions of the free Supreme Commander for Orks? Is it too much at minigeddon scale? Most other armies have their freebies taken out (avatar) or reduced accordingly (Commissars).


With a 1+ activation I don't think they needed it much? Think it allowed them to take more risk. Still only played one Ork and of course he didn't fail any rolls, he might have used it to rally better?

Would also suggest a restriction to 1 fearless war engine in a list...


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I'd suggest a restriction on barans too. They shouldn't be able to take the 0-1 deathstrikes and the artillery is too good for the points at 1000. They're SC is also too cheap compared to other armies (same goes for eldar maybe).

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Why no Deathstrikes?

When I faced them they weren't that much of an issue - admittedly my army had no war engines - but isn't that kind of the point in them? To act as a deterrent to War Engines in general?

They fired and blew up two Valkyries...which the rest of the artillery was doing anyway. I can't imagine the Marine armies or the Speed Freaks would have been all that bothered by them.

Is it the essential impunity with which they can place blast markers on a critical formation on a critical turn? Or the effect it has on the war engine heavy lists like an AMTL or the Fir Iolarion? Or that it punishes taking a single Titan?


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Kyrt wrote:
I'd suggest a restriction on barans too. They shouldn't be able to take the 0-1 deathstrikes and the artillery is too good for the points at 1000. They're SC is also too cheap compared to other armies (same goes for eldar maybe).

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Leaving aside the arty bullying... you would want a minimum cost of what for an SC then? 100 points? (The Eldar is already 75 points.)


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The Eldar SC is pretty expensive already in my opinion. The Barans have lots of weaknesses in 3k but perhaps the current metagame hasn't got enough shooting capability to make them pay in 1k. Win Strategy against SR1, shoot 2 Baran fms, they're very likely to break straightaway. Against the current minigeddon meta of assault-oriented armies it will work like it did Sunday.

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So a mini batrep for minigeddon :)

Game 1: Played against Radek's Marines
Radek went pretty hard turn 1, trying to get into a good assault position for turn 2 and used the exceedingly large hill on our desert board well. However, it did cost him a unit of landspeeders, and the other unit was damaged as well (although disappointingly i managed 1 kill from an entire broadside volley, which was especially sad given they were markerlighted). Still, Radek then won turn 2 initiative, and gambled on activating a unit with BM's, and promptly failed to activate. This then left his army getting decimated, with the crisis suits taking down the predators, and fire warriors breaking the assault marines. This left him pretty messed up with just scouts left, and they were still a way back. Things didn't get any better despite a good set of rallying, and in the end i was able to take a 4-0 thanks to a perhaps ill considered march onto my blitz by the assault marines (which then got broken), allowing me access to his blitz and take and hold objective.

Game 2: Carlos (Saim Hann)
Carlos didn't have many activations, and i won the rolloff turn 1, meaning he had to go first too. Things did not go well thanks to this, as i was able to get all manner of crossfires and other unpleasantness on his jetbikes and shining spears on turn 1 breaking breaking both of them. Still, Carlos did manage to pull things back somewhat thanks to his indestructible Revenant, being sensible to take out the devilfish to limit my mobility as soon as he could, and somehow the tetras got broken too, but i can't quite recall what happened with that one. Anyway, thanks to some good rallying on turn 3 and some failed activations from myself Carlos was able to cheekily keep his units alive and was able to keep it to a 2-0 win to me in turn 3 - no mean feat after having 2 of his 3 activations gutted early on!

Game 3: Chris (Baran Siegemasters)
Much bunkering from most of the army, other than a very forward deployed unit of guardsmen, which got crossfired to death by broadsides and tetras. Tetras had a bit of a sad old time though, and one of them ended up with the indignity of being killed by a deathstrike missile thanks to them failing to activate (and just being in line of sight). Broadsides got broken after i failed most of my armour saves, and then ran off. Things weren't looking good for turn 2 after both the broadsides and tetras failed to rally, but i managed to keep the fire warriors reasonably intact thanks to less epic dice from Chris, and then broke the deathstrikes with my crisis suits. On winning activation turn 3 (and everything rallied finally - yay!) i was able to get a solid crossfire in on his BTS, and then after breaking them went in for an intermingled assault against the remnants with the fire warriors. Tetras managed to march to get the blitz and i was able to pick up a 3-0 win in turn 3 when the commissar from the first regiment failed to rally in my half.

Game 4: Mark (Speed Freeks)
I took a risk turn 1 on this and near the end of the turn pushed forward and broke a few units. However, the main one of the two rallied, and even worse Mark won initiative, costing me 2 activations after the dice went very much against me. Still, i was able to break his BTS with some good crossfiring with broadsides and tetras, but couldn't come close to wiping them out. turn 3 then saw a bunch of things decimated, but i managed to keep holding on in there - the assault range of the warbands on such a small table was just horrendous though, and was doing a superb job of keeping me on the back foot. I almost managed a win on turn 4 after i had a run on his blitz with my tetras, but instead they broke themselves. Doh! things were compounded by my broadsides getting assaulted and failing most of their saves too, leaving them broken and running. Still, a draw would be ok... hang on, a turn 5? ffs! we were both down to 2 activations now after my broadsides again failed to rally, and Mark was able to easily mop them up and take both blitz and take and hold. I had to console myself with his blitz, but that was all i could do at that point, so had a 3-1 loss in turn 5.

I'd assumed Mark had taken first place, but thanks to the points i'd got in the earlier rounds i was able to squeak into first place surprisingly! Overall really enjoyed things, and definitely enjoying using the Tau - a real change of pace from all the Guard armies i've been using this year :)

Food was as always excellent, and a big thanks to Florian for doing such a good job on the organisation front :)


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 Post subject: Re: Battle of the Thames - Epic Minigeddon 2014 @ London, 2.
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One rules question I did have.

In the EUK tournament rules

http://epic-uk.co.uk/rules/EPIC%20UK%20 ... 0rules.pdf

On page 10 it says HALF the remaining units in a formation must be in the opponents half to contest the They Shall Not Pass objective. (this is present in both the 3 game and 5 game variations)

Is the same true for minigeddon?


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 Post subject: Re: Battle of the Thames - Epic Minigeddon 2014 @ London, 2.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:21 pm 
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This came up for me too. I had 1-2 units over out of a company and was told by the esteemed organiser and his hangers on, no thats fine.


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