hmmm...i have a Question... if i take the "sustain fire or Overwatch"-Order on my Support Craft which is always popped up, would it trigger overwatchfire?


Why i can not take a marshal action and pop up? If i want, i could use the movment in the marshal action.



Hmm, i have an unit Termminator with Chaplain ( 2 MW Attacks) and an unit Tactical Space Marines in close Combat against other units. I hit with both MW- attacks. Can i apply one MW hit to the enemy unit which is in CC with the Marine unit? Or can i only hit units which are in CC with the Terminators?


Single Shot

I have a Formation with two Deathstrike Missile Launcher with one Blastmarker.

if i decide to shot with both Launchers, would both shots be used? Even with the supression?

Can i decide to shot only with one unit or have i always to shot with the whole Formation?

Thanks for help.

No I don't think so, it's the movement of the pop-up that triggers a overwatch fire. Support craft are allready poped up. I wouldn't count it as movement at least.


I guess for balance reasons? I'm not sure. Yes you can use the movement but then you don't get to shoot.



I'm not sure I understand your example, but CC hits, regular as well as MW, can hit any unit in the target formation not just the ones in base-to-base contact. Assaults are much abstracted in epic.



You could shoot with just one as the other is suppressed. There is no requirement to shoot both at the same time.

You do not need to "pop up" to move on a marshal. "popping up" is used for drawing line of sight over terrain whilst shooting (or being shot at), Skimmers ignore terrain whilst moving "pop up" has nothing to do with that part of movement.





In an engagement anything within 15cm of the attackers are classed as "Directly Involved" and therefore are in a position to be allocated a hit. All CC and FF attacks are classed as hits (War Engine attacks/hits are an exception) and then those hits are allocated to units starting with nearest first out to any unit "directly Involved" in the engagement.
CC MW attacks used to be rolled for after normal attacks were rolled, allocated and saves rolled. This was changed in the official rules update to them being rolled at the same time as normal attacks but still allocated after normal hits.
With the ability to hit units up to 15cm away wth CC MW it has become known as the "flying powerfist" .

GrrArgh,
Put another way, the act of 'popping-up' is considered to be movement. A Marshall action may only take a single movement, not two (pop-up and then move), so you may not Pop-up to fly over nearby terrain as part of a Marshall action. For the same reason, you may not pop-up and Sustain because that action does not use any movement.
The exception to this is that you *may* pop-up as part of taking an OW action - though that also means that enemy on OW may fire on your formations as they do this.

A skimmer does not need to "pop up" to move over terrain, it ignores terrain it moves over. "popping up" is used for line of sight purposes to shoot over terrain.
The no pop up for marshal in the FAQ is for pop up shooting on a marshal

There would be no need to pop up when marshaling as you would just go up and down on the spot then remove BM's. If you want to move as part of a marshal action you can, skimmers ignore terrain features they pass over, you don't have to pop up to move over terrain.

Of course dptdexys is correct - my bad.
A skimmer may rise over terrain in each of it's moves, but lands each time unless it is 'popped up'. Here a Marshall (or Hold) only represents a single move, so the skimmer need not 'pop up' to clear the terrain.
However, if the Skimmer takes a double or march move and wants to avoid dangerous terrain tests, then it must declare itself to be 'popped up'. I hope that makes more sense.

One quirk of the game; as "popped up" is only a rule for line of sight, technically I think a skimmer transport can discharge troops while popped up...

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Thanks for the answers.

Supportcraft:
I thought as much,but i wanted to be sure.

Skimmers:
Narrghh.. when i can not shot, it is not need for pop up..ok...easy...

Macro Weapons:



What's the difference between the old and new rules?


Jeah, powerfistshooting Terminators.. Ok...

i can only hit units with the MW (CC or FF, it is not important),if the target is in Range (15cm) of the Unit with the MW abillity.

Is that right?

Skimmers cannot embark or disembark troops whilst popped up.

In the old rules all normal CC and FF attacks were rolled for and any hits were then allocated and saving rolls made. Then any MW attacks were rolled for, if there were any units still in base to base with the units with MW CC attacks (now they are rolled at the same time, before any allocation). This meant a lot of times players were removing casualties from base to base with the enemy with MW CC attacks still to come, which lead to wasted MW a lot of times.



Almost, all hits, normal or MW, can be used against any unit that is "directly involved" in the assault, where they come from is not tracked on a stand by stand basis.
"Directly Involved" means they are within 15cm of attackers/defenders and part of the attacking or defending formation, not a supporting fire unit.
Most find the easiest way of remembering who is "directly involved" of the attacking or defending formation is did the unit have an attack in the assault, if yes it had to be within 15cm to get that attack and therefore was "directly involved".
"Directly Involved" can change after a drawn round of combat so can change going from a drawn round to the nest round of combat rolls due to casualties and counter charges.

Okay.




And thats my problem....

You say, that there is no difference between the allocation of normal hits and MW hits. Both are allocated by the same rules. ok...but..why i read this in the Tourment Rules 2013?



why the difference in the rules, if both types of hits are allocated the same way.

Normal Hits from can only be applied to units that are in a position to be hit by a normal weapon too. Its called "Directly Involved".

I know my english is...ähmmm... but i hope you understand my problem.

I think I see what's confusing, the section you've quoted is for all MW attacks, ranged shooting as well as assaults. It looks as though you thought it was just for the assault allocation.

As an example take a mixed formation of 3xNormal and 2xTornado Land Speeders using thier ranged weapons.
If you got 2 AP hits (range of 30cm) and 1 MW hit (range 15cm) from your attacks, the AP hits would be placed and saved for first. The MW hit would then be placed but only if there was a unit of the target formation within 15cm still alive (the range of the Multi Melta). You could kill units that would have been in range of the MW before it was placed, range stretching is only supposed to be by weapon type (AP stretching AP, AT stretching AT, MW stretching MW and so on) AP nor AT range is supposed to be used to stretch MW range.

Ok, but i can strech my "range (15cm direct involved)" for MW in an assault too..



why is "strechting" possible in assaults and not in the shooting Phase.

And why is your answer not written in the rules for macro weapons.



thanks for your patience

That's just how assaults work, all hits from CC and FF are pooled and then allocated.
Being in Base to Base contact is used to determine which attack stats are used.
You can have normal hits from CC, not just MW hits going on units not in base to base, another example could be 2 ork Nobs in Base contact with 2 units and hitting with all 4 attacks, the first 2 would be on the units in base contact the next 2 would go on the next 2 nearest units even though they are not in base contact.
If you have your Rule Book handy check the designers notes section it explains what, how and why an engagement works as it does, a kind of swirling mess not a static assault.


I'm not fully sure what you mean by not written in the rules.
If you have the Rule Book, allocating MW hits follows the rules for MW, Shooting attacks,Barrages and Assaults and is for all of them the net EA tournament book has the sections on different pages but are still the same rules.