I don't believe this is treated in the rules nor in the FAQ, so here goes:

Can a disrupt that has several types (AP/AT) weapon be used in an form unsuited to its target to inflict a BM? For example, imagine a AP3+/AT4+ Disrupt weapon, that shoots at a Leman Russ company, could the player choose to use the AP value to inflict more BMs?

By extension, can a disrupt barrage like the Nightspinner array also choose to use a different column so as to inflict more BMs?

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Pretty sure this is not possible, as you need to roll a hit to inflict the blast marker for a weapon with the disrupt ability. If you have an AP-only weapon, it can lay a BM, but as it cannot actually inflict a hit on an AV, it would not inflict any further BMs on a purely AV formation.

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So for me, even if you successfully rolled against using the AP value, if there are no infantry to allocate to then there are no hits and therefore no disrupt blast markers. BMs aren't placed for rolling above a given score, they are placed for hits.

For barrage weapons like the night spinner, you roll directly to hit specific units under the template of course.

On a related (but different) question though, if there is only 1 unit within LOS and you score 3 hits, how many BMs do you award?
1, because 1 unit was hit
3, because there were 3 hits

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I had understood that shooting with AP or AT was freely chosen, only the hit allocation took into account the target. Perhaps this is not well translated in the french version of the rules?

@Kyrt: In your opinion, a non-allocated disrupt hit does not inflict a BM, correct?

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I think this was answered in this thread the last time you asked this.

http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/ ... t&start=15

I think E&C answered it.

Thats what I thought, but I have since seen at least one thread where the Disrupt on fire warriors was mentioned as being able to affect AVs.

Could we get a definitive answer from Onyx?

Edit: precised at least one thread, as I did not find the other threads after a simple search on disrupt.

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i must have missed those threads, could you post a link to save me searching for them, cheers.

Ok, so you shoot at a Leman Russ company with an AP-only weapon and lay a BM. How would you inflict further BMs? Rolling the to-hit for AP on an AV? That does not make sense. Disrupt needs to actually hit something to make its effect felt. You cannot score a hit on an AV with AP. It's pretty unclear to me how there could be a gray area here.

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This one for example: http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/ ... upt#p48091

Middle of page, Glyng mentions Fire warrior pulse carabines as able to BM a vehicle target.

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My understanding of the rules is you can score hits with AP weapons on AV targets, but those hits cannot be allocated. My understanding, confirmed by E&C's post referred to earlier, is that those hits would not benefit from the disrupt effect because they could not be allocated.

Some other posters seem to think, unless I misread them, that my understanding was incorrect.

Thus, I am checking.

My opinion, which is quite irrelevant at this stage, especially considering no rules amendments are being considered, is that disrupt hits that are not allocated should not benefit from their BM placement effect.

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if targeting a formation with a weapon type that cannot score any hits, you lay a BM for the formation coming under fire, but then do not roll any attack dice, so cannot inflict any disrupt hits.... I fail to see any confusion myself but maybe it's a translation thing?

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Thanks for the link, saved me a lot of time trying to find it.

Here's GlynG's post that I think is causing the confusion.


The first line is possibly what most would agree with, AP can be used to lay a single BM for the target formation coming under fire.
The highlighted 2nd sentence does look as though GlynG interprets the possibility of causing disrupt hits on AV's from AP hits and I can understand the confusion. Hopefully he was just being general in the advise about markerlights but he would have to confirm or deny that.

Without reference to the rules, which I'll do later this evening, I would say that

Basic rule: When shooting, you roll your AP or AT value dependant on the target's unit type. AP vs Inf, AT vs AV (and WE).

Edit:
Special rule: LV is a special rule, where LV units can be affected by both types of hits.

Basic rule: When you choose to fire at a unit, it receives a BM. This is independent of rolling to hit. The BM is placed due to a unit coming under fire. This is the "loophole" used by AP-carrying formations laying BM on vehicle formations.

The interpretative gist: When an AP formation shoot at a pure AV or WE formation, there are no to-hit-rolls being made. The BM is placed due to the choice of action.

Gist Edit: This is in agreement with kyussinchain's interpretation.

/Fredmans

from 1.1.3 unit datasheets


highlighted what most see as the relevant part.

And from 1.9.3 and 1.9.4 on shooting procedureYou place a single BM immediately for coming under fire, but as others say you only place further BMs for disrupt hits obtained. If you have AP weaponry it can only cause further hits on AP targets.