Ok, so where are we at with this now? Does this sound about right? If we aren't going to use the defensive option at all I'm going to rename hymn of reforging to Aegis Mechanicum. I'd still like to see the base rule with walker. It's a upgrade, but I remain unconvinced it's as big of a boost as is being argued.

Blessings of the Omnissiah
The Adeptus Mechanicus assigns tech priests to safeguard and augment the machine spirit of their armored vehicles in the field. At the start of each game you are granted one tech priest per 500 points which may be assigned to any Cataphractii AV or WE formation. Allied formations may not be assigned tech priests. Select one option from the list below; this applies to all tech priests in your army.

Aegis Mechanicum: Free
The unit the Tech Priest is assigned gains the Leader rule and all units in this formation gain Invulnerable Save.

Augmented Targeting Cogitators: 125 points
The unit the Tech Priest is assigned gains Inspiring and Sniper. All units in this formation gain +1 Extra Attacks (15cm).

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Looks like a good place to start!

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I think I suggested walker, and that was mostly so I could model my tanks with robot insect legs. So we currently have a durability and a aggressio. Option. What is the list supposed to be bad at?

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Driving thru forests? :-)

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Its bad at durability and maintaining firepower. They also disappear quick once broken. A 6+ inv save won't do much to change durability

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Ok, since it's been several days with no further discussion I've gone ahead and moved the Blessings rules from a few posts above into the first post and closed of the blessing rule as a discussion topic.

I've also dropped the Crusader robots from the list to keep robots limited to the skitarii list and to remove scout from the cataphractii list.

From here I'd like to move on to the last two major discussion points relating to the list structure.

First is the addition of a conqueror maniple perhaps as replacement for the Robots.
I'm not really for this option since it adds another russ variant and I don't think it provides the list with anything it doesn't already have.

Second is the addition of the Praetor.
I'm also not for adding this to the list. If/when an ordo reductor list is done this seems like the type thing you'd pull out to help break a siege so it might be a better fit there. I'm also not entirely up on the fluff behind this but the Praetor and Crassus both seem to be geared more toward IG than they are AdMech vehicles. If it did get added, it would compete for either a heavy slot or a support slot and I'm not sure we really need it.

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I don't know anything about either conquerors or praetors so i can't really talk about yhem. But i'm still very interested in the develeopment of the list!

On a sidenote, have any good suggestions for Valdor-proxies??

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Praetors have AA. May or may not be something to consider. I'm ambivalent, just wanted to put that out just in case people were not aware.

And technically everything the guard has the Ad Mech has and then some. There's no such thing as "guard stuff" as they (Ad Mech) built everything to begin with. It's all Ad Mech stuff, just some other factions are given that stuff but nature of the Treaty of Mars. By your logic they'd not use Russ's as those are guard tanks.

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Haha, yes, that is true. AdMech can basically field anything they want, but the aim is to give AdMech more of the exotic stuff or stuff we have fluff saying they use for the sake of creating a list that functions and looks different than your typical IG List.

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So no ideas of good Valdor proxies then....? ;-)

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There were some forumware ones a while back but just about anything that's a bit larger than a Russ and has an offset fixed forward cannon would work for them.

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I expect TMG will be releasing something suitable using the Churchillian chassis in the medium term future.

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Ben beat me to it. I expect it would be easy to take a Churchillian as a base chassis for one. They're pretty meaty toys. >:)

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cool. At some point could we get a scale comparison shot?

I did dig up these guys as well:
http://ironwindmetals.com/store/product ... ts_id=4130

Not sure about the scale here but these could work as well:
http://www.reapermini.com/Miniatures/CA ... test/24545



Back on topic though, does anyone have any thoughts on Praetors or Conquerors?

EDIT:
Praetors: Looking back over the discussion we talked about a DC2 AA or using them as heavy artillery. I don't think the AA version is all that viable though it has some utility with granting WE formations AA that can't be picked out. The arty version would step on the toes of the manticore detachement though. So the question becomes would people prefer Manticores (easier to obtain, used in other lists so interchangable) or Praetors (different than other lists, heavier firepower, more expensive, WE).

Conquerors: I'm looking at adding in a Conqueror Maniple to the Support section. 5x Conqueror for 250 points. This replaces the Robots.

Core pricing: I'm also looking to bump the Valdor to 500 and drop the Russ Maniple to 400 to make Russes a bit more attractive.

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Well I still think that make vanqishers too cheap and I think the solution is to go Rhyza pattern on the Executioners and give them 30cm plasma cannons. That way the formation is actually worth 500 and allows alternating fire of the weapons so the formation isn't waiting turn doing squat. By dropping the Russ costs I think you make Executionereven less attractive. However in the sense of friendliness and compromise (unlike the American Congress ) I say lets test it out at 400 and get some reports

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