I was thinking that the save would represent the field repair. How would you suggest showing something like this? I didn't want to give every AV or WE a invulnerable save since that's a bit too good and I also didn't want people assigning it or you run into commisars style pick the best.

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How about units within 10cm in that formation to the techlord get to reroll failed saves or get a +1? Perhaps to not unhinge WE they get to ignore a critical hit?

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Right now we've only got a single leader in the list. That would make the SR extremely limited if only a single unit had it and then perhaps only 5 units would gain benefit.

Wouldn't it be odd for you to effectively get three saves since most of the AV in the list is RA? A russ would basically get three saving rolls which would make them extremely difficult to take out.

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Field repair related stuff could be BM removal instead of save modification (avoiding multi-multi-saves and remembering save mods). Repairing small damage to vehicles left in the formation makes them less suppressed, less liable to break etc. Not sure what the rule would be as it enters into Leader territory, but a different angle to consider if needed.

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This sounds like a really great idea! Any AV or WE unit within 10-15cm counts as having e leader ability in their detachment.

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I'd make it a 6+ save for any vehicle or WE in base contact with the unit with Blessing of the Omnisiah. With a clause that it may not be taken against MW or TK hits.

Lets make the repairs it a small but characterful tweak, not something with great and widespread effect like some of the suggestions.

Blast Marker removal sounds like the best way to represent something like field repairs. How about a Spirit Stone like rule letting any all mechanized formation but a formation wide leader for x points (25 I guess).

I like the idea of using BM reductions to represent this. It also helps deal with the smaller 5 vehicle formations. I was thinking this would be an army wide SR, but you folks seem to see it as an upgrade for the formation. I think I'd prefer it as army wide seeing we have plenty of upgrade options right now and it would only affect core formations if we make it an upgrade.

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is there a particualr playstyle to encourage? "may remove one BM if formation 40cm away from enemy formation" for example.

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I think we should avoid if statements and basing it on what an opponent does for a SR. We want something that's simple to use and doesn't give people room to argue that X unit was 40.5cm away therefore the formation doesn't get to remove the BM.

Perhaps we can do a walker-lite rule that lets you reroll but need a higher number to pass that a walker would have?

Going back to the BM idea, here's a bit of a crazy idea:

In the end phase, cataphractii detachments composed entirely of AV and WE may remove all BM on a roll of 6 when attempting to rally.

Alternate:

In the end phase, cataphractii detachments composed entirely of AV and WE may ignore modifiers when attempting to rally.

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Of thoose two i like the second one best.

Just want to say that personally i like the idea of a AdMech equivalent of the commisar. Tech priests that are placed in certain AV or WE groups to make sure they function properly on the field of battle sounds pretty fluffy to me. And doing it like the IG with 1 for each 500p (and in this case only adds the leader ability, not a bunch of extra attacks and other stuff) is a already tested system which works.

I'm a big fan of the K.I.S.S principle... :-)

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true, but like the commisars won't that just result in the best formations getting all the attention?

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And what's wrong with that? Wouldn't the commanders only attach techpriests to the most important formations?

I have no real opinion among the alternatives at this point, however.

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I agree with the above post. It makes sense that would happen. The more expensive/old/powerfull unit it is the more they want to look after it.

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fair enough. Leave it up to choice or mandate they must go on the most expensive formations?

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