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Would 3xMW2+, 60cm range be overkill on the Scorpion?

2x2+ is 1.67 hits, 3x3+ is 2 hits (expected), not a very significant difference. Bigger difference on sustain, smaller on double.

For 250pts, I think 3x2+ wouldn't be unreasonable.
The extra range EUK applied hasn't made them worth the full 250pts in my experience.

EUK say they tested them with 3x shots IIRC, and say that was overpowered, so YMMV.

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NetEA fire prisms are different to EpicUK ones:

NetEA: 60cm / AP4+/AT2+, Lance
EpicUK: 75cm / AP4+/AT4+/AA5+, Lance

(Fire prisms aren't very good either in NetEA).

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I know, it's the range on the EUK ones which makes them handy snipers

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What you think about a SHT Scorpion with 60cm 2 x MA3+ TK (1) and replace the pulsar phantom weapon to 75cm 3 x MA3+.

Note in our list the Fire prism got a 60cm AP4+/AC3+ Lance.

We considered that AC2 + it was too easy to make a double movement still having the opportunity to hit on a 3 + lance.

This all done by magic, the SHT Scorpion becomes quite interesting vs the fire prism.

This puts the scorpion in the historical lineage of SM/TL tempest, the phantom titan firing rate found worthy being able to shave medium formation in a burst (for the price, this is not a scandal) and the fire prism, found in much less like a popcorn unit.

Hope that will help you.

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I reckon as both types of Fire Prism are good, though for different tasks.

NetEA ones are perfect RA tank killers (Russes, SHT's, Titans, etc).
EUK ones are great AA, shutting down Marine armies pretty effectively (though they're pants for their cost at attacking ground targets).

Given a choice I'd take the NetEA ones, as they're more modern (40k Fire Prisms don't have AA), cheaper, and have a more concrete active role (rather than a passive AA role).

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Fluff says that Scorpions are tank killers.
The war engine killer role is left to the Cobra.

So Scorpions shouldn't get TK ability.

3xMW2+ might be to much. 3xMW3+ or/and! 75cm range suites me.

This does nothing disrupts the fluff, some tanks are war engines. Then i'is only a point of view that takes the party to an heir of the Tempest SM / TL.

Then with his low score required to hit, the Cobra can't be a viable alternative in this role of war engines killer. Currently there is little effective with his low range. If you want to preserve it, hit & run is needed. This makes it a tk hit on 5+ or 6+ as it is played solo or in pairs. Really great war engines killer (yes a waste of points). But this is an another debate.

A 3xMA2+ or MA3+ with an increase of his range for the SHT Scorpion seems to be a proposal that will make a popcorn additional unit in the Eldar list that bury even the Cobra a point of view of the profitability.

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At 250pts each, there is no risk to make the Scorpion a popcorn unit.

About the Cobra, its role is WE killing, but you're right, its current profile makes it unable to fulfill its theorical role on the battlefield. The discussion is currently open on a dedicate topic.

On the Scorpion & Cobra front I would be interested in testing them at 200pts each. Stormserpents and Void Spinners remaining at 250pts.

Thx for the link but i already posted in this topic. To finish with this off the topic, the Cobra was properly playable at the time of the Charter of PB MA.


I don't think so, they have already played with regularly without the need to be reinforced in this way.

I advocate instead the redistribution of roles between the pulsar phantom titan (with an increase of his rate of fire) and the pulsar SHT Scorpion. This seems much more balanced representation when can I have of these units.

A Heavy Tank that can crush anything and a titan Phantom that can make huge holes in the enemy ranks in a single burst.

Was my 50 cents.

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I'd like to test 3x shots for both Scorpion and Pulsar Phantom, keeping current to hit values.

I would be in favour of the 2xMW3+(TK1) or 4xAP/AT3+ (no single MW option) for the titan pulsar. This would look like the rain of fire of the SM/TL era pulsar.