Steve54 wrote:
The problem with them is that you can field 7+ fearless WEs in a viable army build. slight changes to the gun, CC + cost have little impact on that. Removing fearless makes them pretty much worthless as they get broken then hacked down - IG SHTs are pretty much always fearless (or can use long range) while eldar are fast, have better list AA to protect them and perform better at long range.
With the straight choice between decimators/ferals/death wheels I think all are viable options. With decimators you get much needed MW and a unit that fits better in the list, with ferals/death wheels you get the standard fast-WE advantages but less hitting power and the problems of a fast unit in a slow list
I disagree that they are useless without Fearless. They remain incredibly potent, just easier t deal with, but they still MUST be dealt with. How many other 200 point unit can you say that about? Also they can be fielded in twos or threes, making their break point much more difficult to reach.
Second, I disagree that Guard or Eldar are much better off. No other SHt has the Decimator Loadout. Also they all seem to manage in playing with SHT that dont have Fearless. And by far not all Guard SHt's get a commissar.
Thirdly, I disagree that they compare well against death Wheels and Ferals. As you justly said both those give some Heavy weaponry and speed to an army that needs it. While the decimator remains terribly slow. I am ready to bet with you that if that change is implemented, you will not see more that 10 decimators in tourney lists in total in the next 3 years. Which is a ridiculous number.
Finally, I believe changing the army list structure in sich a way is not doing a change in the right direction. People want to play their miniatures. People have built Chaos army lists for years now with the Decimator as a main staple of the list. Not only for its stats but the actual organisation of the list. Such a change would make all those lists illegal. This is not an experimental list. Its a list that has had approved status for years. At this stage of the evolution of the Black Legion list (such a central one to the universe and game) I cannot imagine how one could just make such an important change without trying less hrutful alternatives. Change the stats, sure, change the point cost sure, force them to be boguth in threes or twos sure, but make whole converted and built armies illegal for play... That is really unwarranted.
Again, why would you just kill the Decimator for the world ?