frogbear wrote:
Question: Wings of Change allow me to have 3 planes or is it an either/or situation?
Hatred Rule: Why not just adopt the standard 'Factions' rule?
Loyalty amongst Friends does not sit well with me for a Chaos List. Would you consider 'Betrayed!' or something else? - whatever you choose, for the 3 out of 5 of them this is a distinct disadvantage and for the other 2 it is a slight disadvantage (weakness that an opponent can exploit). I would not have the rule myself, however if you do insist on keeping it (and making it even harder for these guys to rally due to the extra -1 on top of the base -2), I would again give the Warp Palace and Plague Tower a 25 point discount. Again, I would prefer to take the rule out altogether however as I hate forced moves - as I am sure do most players of strategy games. Look at the World Eaters rule for an idea on a restriction without the forced move.
all prices are nominal stabs in the dark at the moment.
Wings of change is for the set, as a single formation. so until the firelord is dead, no intercepting.
Hatred: I didn't use the standard rule? i used the one in the compedium. is there a newer wording?
Loyalty amongst friends: is intended to be a disadvantage to negate the boredom of having an all fearless list.
frogbear wrote:
Terrawrym at 325 points, DC 6, 3x75cm MW, RA + IS, Fearless, Hellblades, Transport 12, and the ability to garrison and start on Overwatch is too cheap for me.
I do not care that it cannot move. Effectively you are preventing Blitz and T&H objectives for a very little cost.
it's a tunneler - so it has to tunnel in. could use free planetfall if it's clearer.
frogbear wrote:
madd0ct0r wrote:
EXPERIMENTAL UNITS: ..... Brass Scorpians (Greater and lesser)
Where did all the Brass go?
forgot to print the list with their prices in, so they got left out. simple as that
wargame_insomniac wrote:
What about the other Daemon engines?
Cauldron of blood etc
Cheers
James
stats anywhere?
Apocolocyntosis wrote:
Critical on the Giant Spawn sounds fun. Decimator/plaguereaper would seem to fit in with this size of WE?
I like the idea of a daemon engine list, although my personal preference would be for one based on formations of smaller engines, with the larger as support.
Looked at decimator, but had a vague desire to keep tanks out of the list. only the really weird stuff. it was supposed to be a home for the extremes of the latd list after all.
Lord Aaron wrote:
I thought this list would be like Apocolocyntosis said , groups of small (AV's) supported by the big ones(WE's), I like that idea. but good luck either way, I got almost the entire range of old choas DE's so Ill be watching this thread closely.
I wanted to keep the smaller stuff for the other lists. I basically started from the principle of OGBM or a titan list. It's also meant to be a chaos undivided list, and if you buy say, two small formations of av followed by a war engine, that's a lot of points, making harder to fit everything in.
nealhunt wrote:
Love the concept. Good luck on this project.
madd0ct0r wrote:
EXPERIMENTAL UNITS: Warp Palace (or greater spire)
I have an objection to these being used as general, Tzeentchian daemon engines.
Edit: Incidentally, an argument similar to the Silver Tower point above would exist for not including Slaanesh Knights/titans. They were from a specific source. Plus, if you're making a WE daemon engine list, that's ripe for taking development in a pretty different direction.
The core formations are not large enough to cause the normal activation-related and are-coverage problems associated with a titan-centered list. You could easily run 10+ activations of decent-sized WEs. I think it will miss on your intended design concept.
The Tzeentch aircraft formation is odd. The inclusion of the bomber means there is no intercept. That might be fine for a ground attack formation but there's no interception and very little AA in the list.
Loyalty Amongst Friends: I understand there is definitely going to be a need to hinder an all-Fearless WE list, but I think this rule will be extremely problematic. In general, forcing an action that is normally under player control is very challenging mechanically. It also raises questions about a sense of fairness.
Terrawyrm - IIRC, there's some sort of tunneling WE in a chaos squat list that frogbear was developing. If it's been done, you should probably reference it. No sense in re-inventing the wheel.
I knew the silver towers were prospero specific - but thought the warp palace wasn't?
didn't know that about the slaaneshi stuff, tell me more. especially about this new direction...
I looked at forcing 600pt formations as the standard, and while it made the list feel more like a titan list, it halved the diversity. these WE really really aren't as tough as titans, and it'd be much easier to cripple a big formation.
air support cannot intercept? intended. that's what the chaos alter is for. the fighters can intercept interceptors though?
it's not anything i have my heart set on though.
another big dislike for 'loyalty amongst friends'. I'll try again.
off to go and find frogbear's tunneller.