Tyrgon:
The Bio-Electric Pulse has veryhigh numberof shots (6) and good strength. I would give it +1EA for FF

Tryanofex:
Teh Rupture Cannon should have only one shot not two. Perhabs it could warrant an AP5+ value too making it 45cm AP5+/AT4+.

Harridan:
Really the Bio-Cannon justifies 2 x AP3+/AT4+ not just 2 x AP4+/AT5+.
Also the Harridan is a Scythed Hierodule with more Wounds (+2) and Wings AND the two Bio-Cannons of the Barbed Hierodule*. DC3 with RA4+ or DC4 with RA5+ is justified (i prefer the latter) as well as same CC as the Scythed Hierodule and FF as the Barbed Hierodule.

Harridan
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
War Angine 35cm 5+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
2 x Bio-Cannon 45cm 2 x AP3+/AT4+ -
Titan Scything Talons (base contact) +1EA (TK1)

Damage Capacity 4. Critical Hit Eddect: The Harridan is killed all units within 5cm take a hit on 6+.
Notes: Skimmer, Transport (4 Gargyoles).

*according to IA Apoc 2nd Edition.

For comparison:
Hierodule: T8, W6, Sv3+
Harridan: T8, W8, Sc3+
Hierophant: T9, W10, Sv2+
Trygon/Mawloc: T6, W6, Sv3+
Tyranofex: T6, W6, Sv2+
Tervigon: T6, W6, Sv3+

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Mass Points were definitely more important than Armour Saves at least.

I played a lot of 40k around the time that IA4 came out, and had a 40k nid army with a Trygon.


Vituperaptor should be removed as the Tyranid Codex is very, very clear that the Harridan is the largest Tyranid atmospheric flying creature.

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I agree with BL on stats. DC4 with 5+ RA (As it's been for about 4 years at this point), or DC3 with 4+ RA, the former being more preferred.

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The Trygon's already rolling 2@FF5+. I don't think it needs a third, sure the 40k stats have it at 6 shots, but they're not better than a heavy bolter and has a 12" range. 2 Heavy bolters is around a 5+ or 4+, which 2@5+ is close enough to.

The rupture cannon is 2 shots at S10 in 40k, that makes for 2x AT4+ given the pattern's I've seen. Look at Railguns, they get AT4+ with 1 shot. AP5+ wouldn't be out of the question comparing it to an autocannon 40k stat-wise but the Tyrno is Zombo's call not mine.

I've already gone over the Harridan DC/Armor reasoning in the post before this one. On the Bio-cannon, I'd rather not go with the crazy Apoc stats for it (6 shots at S10!). Not sure why you think they're only worth 2x AP3+/AT4+, if we did go that road I'd put them at 3x AP4+/AT3+. I'd rather stick to a closer representation to the SM/TL stats here anyway.

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My system says:
1-5 shots = 1 Epic shot (where 3 shots or a template is the minimum for having an AP value. 7+ Strength and only 2 shots gives an AP value too, see Autocannon, but worse than with 3 shots)
6-11 shots = 2 Epic shots.
Look at the Vulcan-Megabolter. 15 shots in Wh40k, 4 Shots in Epic. Thats 3.75 Wh40k shots per Epic shot.
The 6 shots of the Wh40k Bio-Cannon are 1.6 shots in Epic. Generously rounding up it is 2 Epic shots. 6 shots is the benchmark for a second Epic shot.
The Strength of the weapon seems to have nothing to do with it. It is only relevant for the AP and AT values.

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In IA4/40k4e:

Carnifex T6, W4, Sv3+
Trygon T7, W5, Sv3+, MP1
Heirodule T7, W5, Sv2+, MP2
Harridan T7, W5, Sv3+, MP3

In Apoc/40k5e:

Carnifex T6, W4, Sv3+
Trygon T7, W5, Sv3+
Heirodule T8, W6, Sv3+
Harridan T8, W6, Sv3+

Proposed for EA:

Carnifex 4+RA
Trygon 5+RA at 2DC
Heirodule 5+RA at 3DC (where I'd put them anyway)
Harridan 5+RA at 3DC

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Harridan has 8 Wounds now. +2 Wounds compared to the Hierodule.

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Please stop such remarks.

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I'm not a mod.

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heh. ya got me there. guess I was thrown off by your name under AMTL "moderators"

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I only have limited edit powers in the mechanicus sub forum. Guys with green names are mods.

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OK guys. I have just gone through with the asbestos and fire extinguisher and removed what I consider the heated remarks which contribute nothing to the development.

Please keep this civil and respectful. It's getting tiring.

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That one is a truescale 5:1 reduction of the 40k harridans. They're really supposed to be that big!

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