I didn't pay upfront for any Evil Space Elves so I don't feel hurt by Mosc's delay in getting me the figures. Although I do wish I had had the opportunity to play them earlier as I've painted all the other stuff (aircraft, WE, vehicles, etc) other than the infantry itself.

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Ulrik, if you read what I wrote about the situation you will see it was not a direct comparison.

Let me rephrase it so the concept I was trying to convey is understandable:

To start with:

It is irresponsible to make offers and take on commitments when you have other more important responsibilites that are already preventing you from fullfilling previous commitments. (nothing wrong with 'real life', just don't make commitments you can't fullfill)

The second concept was:

I wish GW was offering more of their current 40K designs in Epic scale, I'd rather pay a little more (or less) and deal with a real business that offers service, rather than deal with a busy volunteer and have the whole deal in the Twilight Zone for months.

I think you should be really careful about what you're saying about volunteers. They already put time and effort into something which they get no return from. It's a lot easier to criticize than it is to do it yourself, and it's also real easy to lose your motivation if people start bitching about you.

Now, I do think the community have been a bit slow in naming replacements or temporary caretakers, but that's more on those who are active than those who are absent imo.

I'm not sure why you would believe that. It was more a case of commitments being delayed when real life got in the way. Period. No commitments were made after that, rather responsibilities were outsourced wholesale.

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And one party manages to make new 6mm toys, while the other doesn't.

I believe that if you say you have something for offer, you should actually have it in your possession.
If you can't find the time to put it in a package and mail it you probably should offer it either.
I'm certainly not saying anyone is a bad person in anyway.
That is just my take on it, from my experiences with informal transactions on this site/game and others.
Others individuals will certainly have their own opinions, etc.

Yes, that 'one party' is pretty darn efficient and businesslike about it also.

I understand and agree with that, but refer you to my previous comment. Free time now doesn't necessarily equate to free time tomorrow, next week or next month.

If payment was taken up front that would be one thing, but it wasn't as far as I'm aware. With that being the case I can still see people getting disappointed (we all like getting more stuff, and it sucks when that stuff isn't available anymore) but that's no license to be disrespectful in a public area. Often times problems like that can be handled off-line.

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What am I saying that is disrespectful ?

In this thread my opinions have been called stupid, I have been advised not to express opinions about anyone offering a service (paid or unpaid I take it), and now I'm being called disrespectful for having an opinion about commitment (paid or unpaid) fullfillment.

I'm very sorry for expressing an opinion, and I apologize for holding an opinion that deviates from the vocal majority.

I didn't say you were being disrespectful, my point was disrespectful behavior shouldn't be condoned simply because of real life getting in the way of commitments.



Circumstances change, people get busy. I don't think that makes it OK to start taking digs at people. When that happens the community loses, as it has with Mosc I think.

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Your cynicism is likely prophetic, elsmore.

But it's incomplete! Let's look at all the options for your participation in the NetEA community!

You can:

Be a NetERC member: Damn you! There's three of you and the books are still late, the site's borderline incomprehensible, and the community's fragmented! You suck!

Be an Army Champion: Damn you! The army doesn't represent 40k well enough/represents 40K too well/doesn't have enough special units/has too many special units! You're making too many changes/not making enough changes/being too proactive/not being proactive enough! You suck!

Be a list developer: Damn you! Your list includes a unit I don't like/doesn't include a unit I like/represents a philosophy I disagree with/duplicates an existing list too much/is another Space Marine list when other armies are neglected/isn't another Space Marine list when they're the most popular/distracts from working on the main list for this army/doesn't represent 40k well enough/represents 40k too well! You suck!

Make models for the player base: Damn you! You charge too much/you work too slow/you don't make what I like/you make what I don't like/your models are the wrong scale/your models don't mesh with GW's/your models are too cartoony, like GW's/your models are made from metal/your models are made from resin! You suck!

Be a participant on the forums: Damn you! There's so much responsibility in all this, and you aren't doing enough! You suck!

Lurk silently: Damn you! The community needs more voices to make progress! You suck!

Not do anything involving Epic whatsoever: Damn you! You're the reason we can't have nice things because you support GW's kiddy games! You suck!

I hope I've clarified things for everyone.

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That's fairly accurate...

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Spot on