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(NetEA) Black Legion and LatD

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:03 am 
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Aren´t Plague Marines way better than Berzerkers?? they cost the same points.  :sulk:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:36 am 
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Quote: (lord_bruno @ Jan. 21 2010, 10:03 )

Aren´t Plague Marines way better than Berzerkers?? they cost the same points.  :sulk:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:36 am 
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It depends on what role they are performing - berzerkers in drop pods for instance are a good choice

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:40 am 
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Quote: (Steve54 @ Jan. 21 2010, 17:36 )

It depends on what role they are performing - berzerkers in drop pods for instance are a good choice

I would still go the Plague Marines with a 3+ armour over the Berserkers with a 2+CC even for a drop potentially.

Both are going to be broken after an assault, and in the above case, I see the AR far more valuable than the CC




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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:08 am 
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In a base contact engagement, Plague Marines and Berserkers are essentially a wash. One slightly more resilient, the other slightly more aggressive.

The problem is, Plague Marines are superior in FF's, and in non-engagement situations.

I don't see a point, excepting thematics, where I'd pick Berserkers over Plague Marines, unless I was making a consideration based on summoned daemons. And even then, there's a lot of claims that Nurgle is better there too.

Though, to be fair, I'd probably put Noise Marines or KSons above them both.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:42 am 
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I’ve posted up a rant against the proposed Factions rule. That aside a couple things do stand out to me in the LaTD list as being a little too good/cheap:

Subjugators – 2 TK attacks in a TK starved army is very useful. They’re also faster and longer ranged than a Warhound and have CC 3+. Dave Thomas – possibly the best epic player on the planet by tournament results? – seems to agree to them being very good/competitive as he took 3 of them in his LaTD army at Open War. I reckon they should be 250pts rather than 225.

Daemon Prince – 3+ reinforced is a bit awesome and pretty much mandatory for your supreme. Could possibly have a ‘Lost and the Damned Demon Prince’ version and drop this down to 4+ Reinforced or 5+ Reinforced with wings for him? The reasoning being the other bodyguards on the stand (they are infantry so assumption is 3-5 models on the base) are normal humans here rather than chaos marines. Less sure of this one, but thought I’d throw it in there.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:58 am 
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Looking forward to th batrep, regarding the Subjugators I've always found them a one trick pony as they have to get into CC in an army that will rarely go first in a turn. If you look at tourney results that list was dptdexys worst result for some years whereas in previous years a 2 Subjugator, 2 Questor army had done much better - though whether this was just due to opponents unfamiliarity with the LatD is another question.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:03 am 
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I will - I'm hoping to get 2 games in this week, 1 either spamming raptors with the BL or stalkers the other with LatD.

At the moment I'm leaning towards reducing the hated range to 15cm

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:05 pm 
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Quote: (Steve54 @ Feb. 01 2010, 09:03 )

At the moment I'm leaning towards reducing the hated range to 15cm

I fully support this idea.

It allows various Factions to work decently on the battlefield, but it show they don't always "play nice" when up close and personal.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:23 pm 
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Subjugators – 2 TK attacks in a TK starved army is very useful. They’re also faster and longer ranged than a Warhound and have CC 3+. Dave Thomas – possibly the best epic player on the planet by tournament results? – seems to agree to them being very good/competitive as he took 3 of them in his LaTD army at Open War. I reckon they should be 250pts rather than 225.



Nothing to add just wanted to give everyone another chance to read the highlighted part  :sign1:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:24 pm 
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Quote: (dptdexys @ Feb. 01 2010, 17:23 )

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Subjugators – 2 TK attacks in a TK starved army is very useful. They’re also faster and longer ranged than a Warhound and have CC 3+. Dave Thomas – possibly the best epic player on the planet by tournament results? – seems to agree to them being very good/competitive as he took 3 of them in his LaTD army at Open War. I reckon they should be 250pts rather than 225.



Nothing to add just wanted to give everyone another chance to read the highlighted part  :sign1:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:26 pm 
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Nothing to add just wanted to give everyone another chance to read the highlighted part  :sign1:

I still would like to see some detailed, photographed, (and autographed?) battle reports on how you do it with such ease and aplomb!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:29 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ Feb. 01 2010, 17:26 )

Quote: (dptdexys @ Feb. 01 2010, 17:23 )

Nothing to add just wanted to give everyone another chance to read the highlighted part  :sign1:

I still would like to see some detailed, photographed, (and autographed?) battle reports on how you do it with such ease and aplomb!

He cheats  :laugh:

In reality it's the fact that Dptdexys used to average 3+ games of epic a week from the early development days. He knows all the armies inside out and backwards and rarely makes mistakes whilst forcing you too.

{edit} oh, that reminds me I did take notes of a beating he dished out to me some time ago. I'll see if I can dig it out.





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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:54 pm 
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Quote: (Mephiston @ Feb. 01 2010, 17:29 )

Quote: (Chroma @ Feb. 01 2010, 17:26 )

Quote: (dptdexys @ Feb. 01 2010, 17:23 )

Nothing to add just wanted to give everyone another chance to read the highlighted part  :sign1:

I still would like to see some detailed, photographed, (and autographed?) battle reports on how you do it with such ease and aplomb!

He cheats  :laugh:

In reality it's the fact that Dptdexys used to average 3+ games of epic a week from the early development days. He knows all the armies inside out and backwards and rarely makes mistakes whilst forcing you too.

- - - And he uses very rare left-handed dice :grin:

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