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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:30 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Jan. 01 2010, 22:10 )

A crazy idea: What about a Chaos Space Hulk? Certainly it would have Slow and Purposeful but horrendous firepower and transport capacity.
IIRC Angron traveled in one to Armageddon.

Well at the moment I am just looking for a troop carrier.

The Killer Chaos Space Hulks can be reserved for BFG perhaps   :oo:  

I have not performed much analysis or balancing of the idea, but I thought of a hulk which would be the standard Cruiser (the cheaper one), with quite a large troop capacity (~70 stands) for 250 points.

So a third less fire power than the standard 250 point spacecraft with ~ double the capacity.

This would allow a full 3000 point force of Berserkers to use Dreadclaws which is very "World Eater" IMO.

Perhaps it would not replace the larger Spacecraft yet be an addition to the list. No idea.

Like stated, not much thought has gone into it at this time   :;):

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:31 pm 
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maybe some Firely Reaver ship type stuff?


Now I am going to have to go watch that movie again to take a look at that ship   :;):




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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:44 pm 
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Desolator Class Battleship. Essentially a bigger Grand Cruiser. Very fast for its size. No launch bays for attack crafts which by BFG rules are necessary for Dreadclaws...at least in numbers to affect BFG spaceships, smaller numbers as used in Epic games might be feasible. But certainly it will have devices to launch several small boarding crafts.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:18 pm 
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FB,

I was looking through 2.0 and had a couple of questions:

1. I am assuming that a formation may only take one upgrade of each type. It's not specifically stated.

2. In the Abhuman upgrade you state and/or for the Gor or Ogryns. Shouldn't that just be an "or" clause?

3. On the Slaughterfiend upgrade to the Berzerker squads, you allow dropping three berzerker stands to get three Slaughterfiends. Slaughterfiends transport two stands each, so that leaves you with an open transport slot.

Was that intentional? Should it be drop two berzerker stands and pick up three Slaughterfields to transport 6 'zerkers?

The list looks good and after I started building all sorts of mental lists, realized that things add up in a hurry. Should be very interesting to field.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:58 am 
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Ok, a couple of other questions...

1. What is a Bident? The Cerebus Warhound is armed with it. My guesses were:

a. Two thirds of a Trident
b. Two dents on the carapace
c. Something useful

2. Since I came down with Scorpionitis recently, I noticed that the Scorpion cannon (DC2 version) and the Scorpion Mega cannon (DC3 version) have the same characteristics (2 x AP3+/AT5+, 30cm). Is that intentional?

Also, in the vanilla Brass Cannon, didn't that version come with a gatling blaster thingie in the tail? Was that done away with intentionally? (I always thought that was cool).

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:06 am 
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Quote: (Honda @ Jan. 03 2010, 02:18 )

FB,

I was looking through 2.0 and had a couple of questions:

1. I am assuming that a formation may only take one upgrade of each type. It's not specifically stated.

Hi Honda

Thanks for the questions. I will answer each one in turn.

So in regards to the above one, it can be found on the first page of the army list (next to the Blood Rage rule. It states: Each upgrade may only be taken once per formation

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2. In the Abhuman upgrade you state and/or for the Gor or Ogryns. Shouldn't that just be an "or" clause?


This is an and/or option. If you want to pay the points, then go right ahead  :)

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3. On the Slaughterfiend upgrade to the Berzerker squads, you allow dropping three berzerker stands to get three Slaughterfiends. Slaughterfiends transport two stands each, so that leaves you with an open transport slot.
Was that intentional? Should it be drop two berzerker stands and pick up three Slaughterfields to transport 6 'zerkers?


That is an interesting proposal, yet it also means that the upgrade may have to increase in cost. It was intentional as to get the 8 models of the formation (5 berzerkers and 3 Slaughterfiends), and that is how an open slot existed. You can have open slots in other forces as well if you really look for it. This is the only one available in this list.

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The list looks good and after I started building all sorts of mental lists, realized that things add up in a hurry. Should be very interesting to field.


Points do add up, yet it is alot better than what the list used to be where you would struggle to get 8-9 activations. Now you can get 12 if you really want. I find ~10 activations remains quite competative.

Cheers dude and thanks for the continued interest   :agree:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:34 am 
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So in regards to the above one, it can be found on the first page of the army list (next to the Blood Rage rule. It states: Each upgrade may only be taken once per formation


Right. I knew that. I was just, er, testing your knowledge of the list.  :down:

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This is an and/or option. If you want to pay the points, then go right ahead


Maybe it's the wording that's throwing me off. I think you are implying that a person can take any combination of the abs vs. originally, I was thinking that you were implying that more than one upgrade could be taken, which would contradict the point above.

To confirm, someone can take any combination of the abs. Correct?

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That is an interesting proposal, yet it also means that the upgrade may have to increase in cost. It was intentional as to get the 8 models of the formation (5 berzerkers and 3 Slaughterfiends), and that is how an open slot existed. You can have open slots in other forces as well if you really look for it. This is the only one available in this list.


Ok, not a big deal or horribly imbalanced. I was just wondering. It's that "tidy" thing coming out in me.  :laugh:

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Quote: (Honda @ Jan. 03 2010, 00:58 )

Ok, a couple of other questions...

1. What is a Bident? The Cerebus Warhound is armed with it. My guesses were:

a. Two thirds of a Trident
b. Two dents on the carapace
c. Something useful

2. Since I came down with Scorpionitis recently, I noticed that the Scorpion cannon (DC2 version) and the Scorpion Mega cannon (DC3 version) have the same characteristics (2 x AP3+/AT5+, 30cm). Is that intentional?

Also, in the vanilla Brass Cannon, didn't that version come with a gatling blaster thingie in the tail? Was that done away with intentionally? (I always thought that was cool).

Cheers,

1. It appears in the novel "Titanicus". It some kind of Titan stabbing weapon.

2. In WH40k it's the same weapon. Same name and same stats.

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Quote: (Honda @ Jan. 03 2010, 09:34 )

Maybe it's the wording that's throwing me off. I think you are implying that a person can take any combination of the abs vs. originally, I was thinking that you were implying that more than one upgrade could be taken, which would contradict the point above.

To confirm, someone can take any combination of the abs. Correct?

That is correct. If you want to spend 125 points you can get bother 3 stands of Bloodgors and 2 stands of Ogryn Berserkers   :)

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Ok, not a big deal or horribly imbalanced. I was just wondering. It's that "tidy" thing coming out in me.  :laugh:


I have used the unit once I believe. At 150 points extra (375 points total), it should not be imbalanced. Hell, if you want to jump on the Slaughterfiends (after starting off them), it is a DTT. That is bad enough   :grin:

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Quote: (Honda @ Jan. 03 2010, 08:58 )

Ok, a couple of other questions...

1. What is a Bident? The Cerebus Warhound is armed with it. My guesses were:

a. Two thirds of a Trident
b. Two dents on the carapace
c. Something useful

Yeah, as blacklegion states, it was in the Titanicus book (which I just bought by the way - in softcover now). If anything was to have a CC weapon for a Warhound, it should be a Khornate one.  :grin:

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2. Since I came down with Scorpionitis recently, I noticed that the Scorpion cannon (DC2 version) and the Scorpion Mega cannon (DC3 version) have the same characteristics (2 x AP3+/AT5+, 30cm). Is that intentional?


The only difference between a G.Brass Scorp and a normal one is better DC and AR save. This was another thing agreed on in one of the other discussions after the Vraks3 book came out.

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Also, in the vanilla Brass Cannon, didn't that version come with a gatling blaster thingie in the tail? Was that done away with intentionally? (I always thought that was cool).


That also is the same as the other scorpion and the gatling I believe is the Scorpion Mega Cannon. Gatling does sound better, however I am just trying to keep these the same as the other lists  

I hope this brings further clarrity

Cheers dude   :handshake:

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Just had a friend come over and we decided to have the game on short notice.

So World Eaters 2.0 received a play test today where the Harbinger made a 2nd showing.






This will be reported on when I get some time.

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With little love of magic or arcance technology, followers of Khorne are often equally loathe
to rely upon such tricks as teleportation and instead enact the will of their god with their frenzied boarding actions

I don't get GW fluff sometimes. Surely teleporting is all the better for getting to grips in CC??? That's just weak writing in my opinion.

I much prefer the old Khorne fluff "Destruction by the biggest means possible is best" :yay:


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With little love of magic or arcance technology, followers of Khorne are often equally loathe
to rely upon such tricks as teleportation and instead enact the will of their god with their frenzied boarding actions

I don't get GW fluff sometimes. Surely teleporting is all the better for getting to grips in CC??? That's just weak writing in my opinion.

I much prefer the old Khorne fluff "Destruction by the biggest means possible is best" :yay:

Yeah, I kinda cringed at that as well.

It is BFG and I guess they needed to justify boarding actions. No idea really and I am tired of trying to marry up GW fluff. Now I just go with it and ignore the bits that don't make sense   :;):

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FB,

I figured I'd just come to the source for some feedback...

After fiddling with my spreadsheets, I came up with a list that I'd think I'd like to model (always important to me) as well as play. Any thoughts or tips concerning the list I should consider?


1 Berzerkers Retinue 5 x Berserkers
Bloodpack 3 x Slaughterfiends
Onslaught 2 x Slaughterers
Skull Lord 1 x Skull Lord

2 Berzerkers Retinue 5 x Berserkers
Bloodpack 3 x Slaughterfiends
Onslaught 2 x Slaughterers
Skull Lord 1 x Skull Lord

3 Chosen (Jump) 1 x Lord Upgrade, 4 x Chosen

4 Terminator Retinue 1 x Lord Upgrade, 5 x Terminators
Scorpion King 1 x Dprince
Teleport Teleport

5 Juggers 5 x Juggernauts

6 Brass Scorpions 1 x Brass Scorpion

7 Brass Scorpions 1 x Brass Scorpion

8 Support Weapons 4 x Doomblasters

9 Hell Talon Squadron 2 x Hell Talons

I've got 9 activations which seems Ok for the time being. The force is obviously geared towards "Engage and Destroy".

Questions:

1. I am assuming that the Berzerkers can start up mounted on the Slaughterfiends. Is that correct?

2. Do they have to do a DTT for dismounting into combat?

3. Can Slaughterfiends only transport Berzerkers or are other units capable of being transported? (e.g. Ogryns)

4. Doomblasters do not have Indirect, correct? Is there a reason besides fluff for mortars not having Indirect?

5. Given what the capabilities of the D support engines are, what was the thinking behind giving them the Onslaught upgrade, which is pure CC goodness? Should that be on the other D engines instead?

I think that's it for now...

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Quote: (Dobbsy @ Jan. 04 2010, 00:38 )

Surely teleporting is all the better for getting to grips in CC???

During his gladiator days Angron followed a strict honour/martial code in his fights, maybe he just thinks teleporting is dishonerable sneakiness :laugh:

Going back to the transport ship idea, what about converted imperial drop ships?

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