I've reevalutated your proposal, and don't see it as so convoluted now.

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And the beef isn't with 3 reavers/4 warhounds (ignoring the fact 1 warlord, 2 reavers 4 warhounds is maybe better) but rather with enough activations of fearless void shielded WE that forces the opponent to play for a draw or lose.

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I'm glad you've reconsidered it.

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I think the problem with the v2 system was that the weapons weren't done on a per-titan basis, but rather were limited based on all the titans in the army. Also, it did not allow an all-support weapon list, even if that list could be balanced.

No, the v2 list was just as prone to min-maxxing, it had more restrictions, and it had the same activation issues v3 has. Let's not go back to it.

The free weapon propasal (Each hull costs more but gets a 50-75pt discount off weapons) and limited free weapon proposal (Warlords can take a maximum of 2 free weapons and Reavers a maximum of 1 free weapon) have 2 effects.

1) Higher minimum titan cost leading to reduced Titan activations
2) Better armed battle titans (Scout weapons are limited or it's better using up the discount) (Also would effectively eliminate the free weapons from battle titans)

1) can also be achieved by recosting the hulls and weapons (Free weapons aren't a problem as the base hull cost can always provide an offset, see below) and is a considerably easier and less destructive method. Is 2) a desirable outcome?

There are also additional options of pricing weapons as pairs where the pair is considerably superior and/or having a second set of costs just for battle titans.

It's going to be tough as the higher priced weapons are desirable but an extra hull is always going to be better.

(Hull offset for free weapons - If your cheapest weapon is Xpts you can make it free and reduce all other weapons by Xpts if you add 4Xpts to the Warlord, 3Xpts to the Reaver and 2Xpts to the Warhound)

How about something like this?

"The following weapons are free. However, if you chose to take 2 of these weapons, the second will cost 25, and the third will cost 50 etc."

and

"If you purchase more than one of the same weapon, add a 25 points surcharge."

Thus a Reaver with 3 of the same "free" weapons would cost 75 points more. Sound OK? I thought I saw the second bit before, but I couldn't find it in the weapons selection section for the War Gryphons titan legion.

Well, not being able to pay fair price and field whatever he wanted was a big gripe of my regular AMTL opponent. He likes v3 more more, because he can up-gun all he wants and noone feels cheated. If balance gets in the way of fun, then you miss the forest for the trees. Not only that, but many people feel that such things can be balanced given an appropriate points cost, but v2 didn't allow it.

No, the v2 list was just as prone to min-maxxing, it had more restrictions, and it had the same activation issues v3 has. Let's not go back to it.

It is not. You can't make cheap titans (ala TRC) as they are all at same cost.

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TRC, are you saying then, that you just want to reduce the number of activations involving WE the AMTL list can field? I don't think saying those of us who want an all titan army (why most of us like the AMTL list) shouldn't be able to compete with it unless you take X points of other formations is a good route because knowing you can't compete doesn't make a very fun game. How many of us like to know already going into a match what the outcome will be because our list was deliberately set up to make sure it couldn't win? I'd wager very few of us.

Perhaps playing the Mechanicus PDF army list would be better for you then.

3.  An army that is near impossible to beat is NOT FUN TO PLAY AGAINST!  If you want to play the TL army you will need people that are prepared to play against it, and if they know in advance that they can't win that's not so likely.

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I could say the same but opposite. I don't want to play hero hammer that the v3 allows.

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That's not what I am saying here E&C.  I am saying that what I find exciting about the TL list is the introduction of customised titans, not the option of playing all titans.  That doesn't imply that I am more inclined towards the AM PDF.

3.  An army that is near impossible to beat is NOT FUN TO PLAY AGAINST!  If you want to play the TL army you will need people that are prepared to play against it, and if they know in advance that they can't win that's not so likely.