What about the Twin Missile Pods on the Tiger Shark? And the Ion Cannons on both the Tiger Shark and the Barracuda? Stay the same?

If we're being accurate have you considered changing the Orca? An Orca can only actually carry 6 Battlesuits (haven't got Taros in front of me but 90% certain that's right), which under recommended models per base levels of 3 for a Crisis Team and 2 for a Broadside Team = 2 stands of Crisis Suits or 3 Stands of Broadsides. A bit over wouldn't be that much of a stretch but the current rules give the Orca fully twice the capacity it should have, which is a bit silly!

Solution I'd like to adopt would be to correct it to the right amount and have the possibility to buy it in pairs like the Thunderhawk Transporter. Not sure this is going to prove that popular though so it may well just something I house-mod for my own games.

A couple of comments:

1. As far as the solution goes, let E&C develop his idea along his lines. I too, prefer a simplistic approach.

2. There is no reason to start fiddling with Air caste units. This exercise is to focus on FW effectiveness and the mechanisms that support them.

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I'm sure that Broadsides were always meant to be 1 model per stand?

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Change for consistency. AA values stay the same however. I'll update with those stats too.

If we're being accurate have you considered changing the Orca? An Orca can only actually carry 6 Battlesuits (haven't got Taros in front of me but 90% certain that's right), which under recommended models per base levels of 3 for a Crisis Team and 2 for a Broadside Team = 2 stands of Crisis Suits or 3 Stands of Broadsides. A bit over wouldn't be that much of a stretch but the current rules give the Orca fully twice the capacity it should have, which is a bit silly!

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Nothing beyond the absolutely nessesary for consistency & representation will change.

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The unit is a Broadside Battlesuit Team and meant to be 2. Says to base them 2 to a base in the Forge World Taros book. Makes sense with the comparative stats to the Crisis Team and 4+ reinforced would be a bit unfeasible for just a single Broadside.

LV is one to a base. Always has been and Taros is about selling more Forge World Goodies  
E&C has already mentioned this in his reply.
Note that as Light Vehicles I consider Broadsides to be best based one to a base, and that is what the stats for the unit would seem to best mesh with too.

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On a personal plea, can we please somehow integrate the missile HH in the list? I have 6 of them just sitting in a box looking pretty otherwise   I don't care about super stats - something basic even ...?

The collector's stats have them at 2x AP5+/AT5+ 45cm, which looks fine against the other tank stats.

I suppose with the removal of the Stingray it's only logical that there are going to be some spare Missile Hammerheads floating around.


Currently I have proposed the removal of 2 units (Stingray, Scorpionfish), and proposed the introduction of 1 unit (Fusion Hammerhead).

Thoughts on introducing a 2nd unit to fill the 'hole' gentlemen?

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Can I just throw my 2 cents?)

1) can we remove 5cm move penalty on the DevilFish? nearly all personal carriers move at 30cm, and oddly, skimmer, which should have at least equal if not better speed, is eating the dust..
2) about fusion HH and 1.05 as a whole - as we removed our only source of long-range MW fire, the almighty Scorpionfish(*sob*), all we have now is Crisis fusion blaster and fusion HH(not talking about spaceships). Is it really needed to have all Tau MW fire to have 15cm range? Especially when fusion cannon in its 40K version has twice more range than fusion blaster.
3) about all the "to hit" changing in 1.05(notably railgun with HH and broadside)
- are we considering that Tau would have +1 to hit from ML everytime? so that we can well drop our to-hit values, so nobody would ever take force without MLs? somebody here said "you always can drop MLs and get some more normal fms for you". Yeah, that seems pretty equal trade for me, when I see, that those fms are all nerfed without ML. If we really need MLs only to pop up to-hit value of our troops with pulse rifles, maybe we can just include (+1)bonus for MLs in them? or make it usable only for FW fms, and leave other units as they were?
I mean, what is the target you're chasing? to make most part of the army dependent on fragile ML units to just keep that(not too giant) firepower it had before?
or has railgun just got itself overpowered with new rules so you're nerfing it?

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*shrug* I consider Forge World to know their stuff about the Tau even if not the detail of epic stats and gaming. Crisis Suits have Drones just as Broadsides too and the comparable toughness of the two types of suit is not that much different. Note I'm not suggesting any stats should be changed, and I'm not sure there's masses of point in debating it.

For both aesthetics and 'what numbers feels right' reasons I'm modelling my Broadsides two to base with Drones but I have no expectation everyone would - people are entirely free to model their own however they like! I just consider it best for my own and it is what FW recommend as the default.

I think it's fine at 25cm, but am open to being convinced otherwise. Further thoughts?

2) about fusion HH and 1.05 as a whole - as we removed our only source of long-range MW fire, the almighty Scorpionfish(*sob*), all we have now is Crisis fusion blaster and fusion HH(not talking about spaceships). Is it really needed to have all Tau MW fire to have 15cm range? Especially when fusion cannon in its 40K version has twice more range than fusion blaster.

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Umm with respect here, a lot of thought went into the air caste costs, stats, weapon names etc, so perhaps we could leave them alone and concentrate on the other elements in your list?

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Through all my 8 or 9 test games with 5.1 one of my recurring issues has been the speed of the devilfish. I'm happy to have Hammerheads at 25, they carry heavier weapon systems but for a force that is supposed to use its troops in fast moving hit and run attacks having the slowest transport in the game is just bizarre.

I would note that in practice 25cm speed Devilfish tend to be about the same speed as Chimeras/Rhinos, as they can make their movements in direct lines instead of dodging around terrain.

Would you want the Skyray changed in speed?



Umm with respect here, a lot of thought went into the air caste costs, stats, weapon names etc, so perhaps we could leave them alone and concentrate on the other elements in your list?

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