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AMTL vs Ulwethe

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:59 am 
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AMTL 3.15
625 King Reaver - CCW, TLD, VMB, CML (only AA attack)
575 Reaver - PBG, PBG, Las Burna
575 Reaver - InfG, InfG, VMB
575 Reaver - VMB, VMB, Las Burna
275 Warhound - VMB, PBG
275 Warhound - VMB, PBG
100 Sentinels

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Black guardians w/ seer council and wave serpents
2x Guardians w/ wraithguard
Falcons + firestorm
Nightspinners
2x Vypers
Swooping hawks (no exarch)
Rangers (4)
2 storm serpent
scorpion

Deployment
Due too my daughters demands I set up my titans first, then wandered off to make dinner, milkshakes, beds etc.
Thw Warlord is in fact my BTS, I just though I would mark it clearly :)
I believe the Eldar won initative and told the titans to blink first.
They did sending a reaver (on the right) to smash the rangers.
Falcons (in the centre) then infectually hit and ran at it.
A warhound then ran up to tickle the scorpion who later broke himself activating.
The rest of the turn was spent with the titans moving up in vaguely supporting fashions  doubling when there were targets, marching when there weren't. The exposed Warhound got jumped by a stormserpent and a load of guardians, with little loss to the guardians.




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:45 pm 
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The nightspinners failed to activate and the eldar rallying was generally poor.




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:49 pm 
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Turn 2

Eldar initative
The turn was dominated by an attempt on the bts by the Eldar army. A stormserpent, wave serpent guardians, vypers and some guardians all had a go, doing some damage (and a critical which didn't go this turn), but getting pasted in return.
In a series of assaults the Eldar force was striped away by the two reavers, this turn also I think killing all the farseers and stopping the avatar getting a  chance to appear!




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The plasma reaver also vapourised the falcons.




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Eventually the warhound on the left polished off the rangers. The nightspinners failed to activate again and the 3 reavers concentrated in on the Eldar. The Eldar didn't have much luck with their infantry when rallying but did get the vehicles back.




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:04 pm 
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Turn 3

Eldar init

This turn was the end of the king reaver, 2 more criticals spelt its doom in the end phase, taken largely from Scorpion fire.

One reaver moved back to deny the blitz to the Eldar (well the remnants of the Eldar), the sentinels having been destroyed last turn (and they failed to activate turn 1 as well).

The other reaver overwatched on the objective, aiming for take and hold. Luckily the Eldar were too far away, or broken to spoil this plan.




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:06 pm 
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The End

AMTL
Blitz
Take and Hold
BTS

Eldar
BTS
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:13 pm 
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I'm guessing you got Blitz, maybe BTS and TnH with him getting BTS?




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Hmm... looks like it could have been closer but I can't tell which reavers you had up on the middle objectives or what had already been activated or I'd say he could have moved to contest both of those giving him BTS and Blitz or BTS and TnH if you'd moved your second reaver down like it is in that end shot and possibly denying you TnH.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:26 pm 
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Just thought I'd add my list:

Gate
Black guardians w/ seer council and wave serpents
2x Guardians w/ wraithguard
Falcons + firestorm
Nightspinners
2x Vypers
Swooping hawks (no exarch)
Rangers (4)
2 storm serpent
scorpion

Yep, ended up getting BTS due to lucky critical rolls (for me that is) after throwing virtually everything at his BTS. Other than taking out one warhound, some sentinels and perhaps a DC from the reaver that went down to guard TRCs blitz, that was it.
Quite a frustrating game (though lots of fun) in that each reaver was virtually guaranteed to destroy one of my fms per turn, but there was very little I could do in return. Even throwing ~1250 points of troops/ vypers and WE at the BTS reaver (multiple assaults, heaps of supporting fire), netted me perhaps 2DC of damage in total?
Other than some annoying failed activations, I can't think of a huge amount I could have done better, other than take a whole load of lance and MW :) Always open to suggestions of course  :D

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How does your army list typically fare against other armies?

It seems quite tank-lite compared with other Eldar armies I am familiar with, with only 2 formations (Falcons & Scorpion) capable of putting out a respectable ammount of anti-tank shots.

It seems like your only recourse here would have been to throw your infantry formations again and again at Titans in Engagements (where his shields serve to protect him).




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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 27 Jul. 2009, 14:42 )

How does your army list typically fare against other armies?

It seems exceptionally tank-heavy, with only 2 formations (Falcons & Scorpion) capable of putting out a respectable ammount of anti-tank shots.

It seems like your only recourse here would have been to throw your infantry formations again and again at Titans in Engagements (where his shields serve to protect him).

I've only really played against Marines (both drop and groundpounder) and once against IG, but that's at most 5 games in total (late returner to Epic). It's done well, with a couple of wins, though I tend to change things around from game to game to find out what works. This time I added a second storm serpent, which was a mistake as it didn't really improve my tactical flexibility but hammered my AT and anti-WE capability.

My usual tactic (if it could be called that) is to isolate a target, either by drawing it out or attacking a flank, prep with long range fire and hit'n'run, then do a supported Guardian attack with wraithguard out of a webway. Unfortunately, with so little AT this was my only tactic and it didn't work :)

The scorpion I didn't feel was worth its points and patently the storm serpents struggled with what was being asked of them. The rest was just never going to make an impact :(

What would you suggest instead? A phantom or warlock would certainly have helped, as would some fireprisms or nightwings..

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A pair of revenents (not sure if ulthwe can take them, don't have the list here) can cream imperial titans. Every turn, move-shoot-move back into cover, getting you 8x5+MW shots and no retaliation.

All of the eldar aircraft have AT4+ lance shots, and don't have to fear much retaliation from AMTL.

War walkers are also great against RA targets - bring them out of the gate/storm serpent at the end of one turn, firing on the target and sustaining first thing in the next turn (if you get the chance - if you don't, take comfort in the fact that they wasted one of their few activations taking out a 200pt unit).

Edit to add: oops, looks like revenents were changed for the 2008 change handbook (which I use), but unless they were improved a lot by the change they should still work for this. Also, nightwings are the only eldar aircraft with lance AT weapons. This is what happens when you post while sleepy...





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