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[NetEA] NetEA Army Lists Ammendments Discussion
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:30 pm 
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Question: in the "Marines" part of the ammendment the Predator, Vindicator and Land Raider Detachments are cheaper. What about the upgrades for Devastators, Tacticals or Terminators (you can buy Vindicator/Land Raider for some of those).
Aren't they cheaper as well?

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Hi!

Question: in the "Marines" part of the ammendment the Predator, Vindicator and Land Raider Detachments are cheaper. What about the upgrades for Devastators, Tacticals or Terminators (you can buy Vindicator/Land Raider for some of those).
Aren't they cheaper as well?

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No.  The tourney list changes are "minimalist" rather than a fully re-worked ideal list.  It's trimmed down to the bare essentials so it would have the most utility for event organizers.

Due to TSKNF, SM formations benefit to varying levels from added units based on formation size.  Since the upgrades can be applied to formations of many different sizes, there's always going to be some slack.  It could probably be nailed down tighter but we elected to leave that for the more extensive army list reviews.

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Erik M
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Should there perhaps be stated that daemons return to the daemonic pool in the end phase?
As long as they're not destroyed or held by a daemonic focus, that is.

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I thought it said that in the last paragraph of the spawning summoning rule? ('nids on the brain :p )




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all summoned units in the formation vanish back to the warp and are removed from play

Summoned units that are destroyed are not put back into the Daemon Pool.
When a formation breaks any summoned units in the formation are lost in the warp and considered destroyed. They do not go back into the Daemon Pool.

The first one say exactly what happens.
After that it's implied that they go back if they are neither destroyed nor kept with daemonic focus. But it's not said.

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I was referring to this part:

In the end of the rally phase, after formations have attempted to rally, all summoned units in the formation are removed from the board and placed back into the Daemon Pool unless the formation has a unit with Daemonic Focus (see LD 1.1.5 below).





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Erik M
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And in what paper do you find that?
I'm looking in the 2008 Handbook.

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Ah, found it. Yet another place to read rules.
I'll go Strindberg pretty soon over this.

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And in what paper do you find that?
I'm looking in the 2008 Handbook.

The 2008 Handbook is, effectively, defunct.

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The 2008 Handbook is, effectively, defunct.

He knows that, Chroma.  He's trolling.

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Not trolling actually. But I got it and read it. And somehow it has to be based on actual texts, right? And if these rules are written in two ways like this, where's the actual text?
Where are the rules for daemon summoning.

And Neal, a fan boy can't accuse someone else for trolling.

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The Black Legion pdf didn't make to the new site as an oversite. I've got it here until the SG archive is up again:

http://the.epic.gamer.googlepages.com/blacklegion.pdf

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Erik M
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Ah, found 'em. There are none. There has been no rules for that published, so everyone making a daemon summoning special rule make it himself. Damn.

So where do we find the best worded ones?

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Ok, back to business.
This is "NetEA Army Lists Ammendments Discussion", right?
Ok, then...

In the Black Legion army list it says:In the rally phase, after a formation has attempted
to rally, all summoned units in the formation
vanish back to the warp and are removed from play
unless the formation has a unit with Daemonic
Focus (see LD 1.1.5 below).

In the Lost and the Damned ditto it says:In the end of the rally
phase, after formations have attempted to rally, all summoned
units in the formation are removed from the board and placed
back into the Daemon Pool unless the formation has a unit with
Daemonic Focus (see LD 1.1.5 below).

Would it be well to make that amendment to the BL list? To change it's text to that of the LatD.

And now I know where to read part of the rules for summoning daemons, thanks Dave.




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