It already can do that, with long ranged weapons and free planetfall it can already pick and destroy a target at ease.

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How do you know a 41st millenium alien spacesaucer can´t tip its bow in order to fire at ground targets while making little / no speed, BL?

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On that note, I took your advice the other day when fighting Pulsar's Templars and sent a Thunderhawk into the AA umbrella of a Hunter in order to Engage some infantry who were inside their rhinos.

He hits, I fail the save, he rolls a critical, and 40 Assault Marines die.

Thanks Hena.  

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Yep, that's absolutely true, I was there to witness it, though abviously it's extremely unlikely (1 in 48).

Hena: note that I'm also proposing a reduction in DC and armour save for the manta.

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I have two new thunderhawks to paint and I'm going to add Finish flags and invoke the spirit of Hena on every save against AA hits!

Ah found the True Gun Aircrafts thread again.
Here are the Manta stats from it:


Tau Manta  
Type Speed Armour Close Combat Firefight  
War Machine Bomber/ 25cm* 4+ 5+ 3+  
 
Weapon Range Firepower Notes  
Twin Heavy Railgun 90cm MW2+ Fixed Forward Arc, TK (D3)
3 x Lb Ion Cannons 90cm AP4+/AT5+ Fixed Forward Arc
Twin Missile Pod 30cm AP4+/AT5+ Fixed Forward Arc
10 x Lb Burst Cannons 30cm AP6+ -
6 x Lb Burst Cannons 30cm AA7+ -
5 x Twin Seeker Missiles 75cm AT4+/AA6+ Fixed Forward Arc, One-shot
Markerlight 30cm -
 
Damage Capacity 10 (or 6). Critical Hit Effect: ? (perhabs "Destroyed" as SM Landing Craft)

Notes: Energy Shield (4+ Invulnerable Save), Hover Mode*, Tansport (10 Infantry and 4 fully loaded vehicles)

Note that i adjusted the Lb Burst Cannons to-hit values because they are only drone controlled and thus have very poor ballistc skills.
The range of the Twin Heavy Railgun and Lb Ion Cannons can easily decreased to 45cm because of being mounted on an aircraft.

* This is the Speed for Hover Mode. Hover Mode turns the aircraft into a Skimmer after landing.

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So, am I correct in reading that now the anti-moray/manta crew are proposing no TK for Tau other than aircraft and that Tau TK should be limited to TK(1)? Even though a few people originally said what moray needed was a reduction in range and APU and manta needed to be toned down a bit gun-wise? So now we have all of the above plus a call for making moray only MW now??? I will never vote for these changes myself. I was willing to meet you half way with APU and a range reduction but asking for everything is ludicrous. It just seems like a witch hunt. OK I understand some don't like it in it's current form but haven't we been working to adjust it? Why so many uneccesary leaps of design? Surely, just the two were enough?

Can the negative side please come up with a focussed argument for one thing or the other? It's getting difficult to follow what you want these units to be with almost every post proposing a different change. Let's at least try APU and range reduction first before we go off half-cocked, wanting the world.

On the argument of Manta being bomber and moray APU why wouldn't they both be APU? Forget the whole Manta as bomber. It's side tracking us.

Nope, there's no unified camp; We're just spitballing.


Even though a few people originally said what moray needed was a reduction in range and APU and manta needed to be toned down a bit gun-wise?

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rather than a gunship that's supposed to slug it out with Warlord Titans and win.

Dobbsy; noone wants all of these suggestions to go through, that'd just be silly! We're brainstorming, coming up with lots of ideas from which one or two will be put forward.

I threw out TK(1) as a suggestion, it was shouted down, so it's gone. Simple as that. TK(D3) it remains.

Just because it's been suggested doesn't mean anyone is fighting to get it that way, and certainly noone is trying to get ALL of the suggestions passed.

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Can I ask you what you propose to use to take on such a beast? Aircraft with TK(1) that aren't always on-board? Hardly fair without a true titan killer if you face an AMTL list.... which seems a popular choice lately where I'm from. I have an issue with a list that can take more titans than any other list, but I digress!

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Why wouldn't they both be bombers? I have major issues with the idea of a support craft at all. Skimmer or plane, there are rules for both. Why is an exception needed?

Nevertheless, for now I'm happy to see testing with APU and range reduction for the moray, though I certainly would like to see the manta playtested as a bomber to see if it's plausible as such.

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