Allow Drones attached to formations to act like single use shields. So the first hits on the formation automatically fall on the drones, whose armour ought to be no more than 6+.

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I've come up with a Beef that noone has mentioned; I think the 'networked drones' upgrade needs removing, as it's unnessesary.

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Ah but the super skimmer tanks that when finally spotted got shot enough always ended up with the odd blast marker after rallying

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Funny.  

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They are pretty much as tough as similar space marine armies, though break faster.

The complaint that I think most people have with HH's is not with the skimmer ability but with the range of the main gun and how that combines with skimmer. Eldar weapons normally have a range of about 30-45cm. HH's have a clear foot on that.

True, but Eldar also get a lot of powerful assault units and also powerful weaponry - i.e MW-wise (and 60cm MW to boot). They pretty much get everything.... 45cm ranged skimmer is a fair balance IMO

Sorry Dobbsy, but I just want to check that you are comparing the Moray with the Eldar Scorpion tank. So, the Scorpion has less range, is less resilient (especially against Titan Killer weapons) has much less firepower and more importantly targets have more places to hide from it. Admitedly the Scorpion is a whole 5 cms faster and can 'hit-and-run' to attempt to hide from retaliation at the cost of accuracy. Are you seriously suggesting that these differences are only worth 50 points?

Or comparing the scorpion with a pair of HHs. For the same cost the HHs go faster, have much better firepower and equivalent armour saves for a one less DC and hit-and-run.

From a naive perspective, it would seem that the Tau have better technology than the Eldar, who I thought were supposed to have the best stuff in the galaxy .

However, I am sure that people (including me) would be much more prepared to accept this state of affairs if the stats were the result of the target being markerlit - which would need further cost and more importantly a Markerlight capable unit nearby.

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Actually Ginger I wasn't comparing or suggesting anything. I was using the Eldar as an example of how people bitch and moan about skimmer HHs when Eldar have skimmer tanks too.

When Tau get excellent and fast assault units I'll be prepared to see Tau gun ranges drop. But of course then they'll be Eldar  

For what its worth, my suggestion here would be to modify 'Markerlight', make the majority of Tau guns use it and increase the benefit of Markerlight while reducing the weapon stats accordingly.

So for example, let 'Markerlight' add 50% to the weapons range and +2 to the stats, thus the Moray Rail-gun stats would normally be 50cms MW5+, only getting to be 75cms MW3+ if the target is Markerlit.

My proposal is intended to place greater emphasis on the Tau getting the right technology into the right place, and equally giving the opponent something that can be attacked to reduce the shooting capability of the Tau.

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Just curious Ginger, if you know that the current proposal for Moray is to make it cost 350? WOuld you say 100 point difference is fair in comparison to the Scorpion?

I was not aware of that, and yes it would possibly balance things a bit.

However, one of my "beefs" with this list is there is a tendency to get 'the best' of everything and try to price the resulting unit accordingly, rather than build some kind of 'fluffy' weaknesses into it - hence the suggestion for making the Tau more dependant on Markerlight to achieve these 'technological' advantages.


So, I would much prefer to keep the Moray at 300 or even less provided the basic shooting stats were significantly curbed, while granting them something similar to the existing stats via Markerlight - does that make sense?

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However, one of my "beefs" with this list is there is a tendency to get 'the best' of everything and try to price the resulting unit accordingly, rather than build some kind of 'fluffy' weaknesses into it

If you move your ML troops in front of leman russ company and let the opponent go next ... you deserve to lose them.