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Thoughts on the Dark Eldar
The_Real_Chris
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:27 am 
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Ah, I missed the slow fire bit completely! Still they should maul a tank company turn 1 or its equivalent so I reckon they would make their points back. Could always go intercept crazy turn two :)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:49 am 
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Heh, without slow fire they'd be awesome, yes, but thankfully that's not the case.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:22 pm 
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Where to start.

I've never seen a scourge do anything but die a grisly death, not once have I not gotten a BM while teleporting.   I think they hate me :(

The reason that warriors get a 1+ Initiative is because they are essentially Aspect Warriors, they live to kill and do so is a frighteneingly coordinated fashion compared to the molasses-slow Tau, clumsy Mon-Keigh and effete poets of the Craftworlds.

Also, try playing them with 2+ and you'll lose so bad so often you'll cry.  :D

The Tormentor also generally dies in my experience and I believe my arm was twisted to lower its cost and upgun it from the original because it was just so bad in practice. The TK guns are really just because they are MWs and Lances, which is just a long way to say TK(1). As just MW the Tormentor loses its real teeth.

I just saw that Warp beast typo. Ouch.
As to why you would take Wyches over Beasts?
You shouldn't, ever.
Not even as a joke. Beasts are flat-out better. 6+FF makes orks laugh at you.

Hellions over Reavers?
Scouts? Sure its almost always more harm than good in the current rules, but hey, its an ability.
The differences between Jump Packs and Mounted Skimmers are all in the Terrain Effects section (1.8.4), pop-up is irrelevant since Reavers don't have shooting attacks.

Mainly:
Hellions can get cover saves from terrain and Overwatch in the open, and since they count as infantry they can freely land in Jungles and Buildings while Reavers can't even enter them since they're impassable to vehicles they have to fly over them.

Other terrain types often prove Dangerous to Mounted troops but not Hellions.

Of course the Reavers 4+ armor means they don't need cover saves anyway.

In short you'll never catch me putting Hellions in an army unless forced to.  :;):

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:34 pm 
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Hellions are good for forcing an assault.  Attach them to a Syndicate, move up and pin a formation such as an artillery battery with their ZoC and 'shoot' with the Warriors.  In the right circumstances they'll be forced to assault.  

All in all though I'd agree that scouts in general can suffer if not played right.  Without the Hellions though the list wouldn't have any scouts which seems even crazier.  There are no other units with which the scout function would even remotely fit.

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scarik
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:36 pm 
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Forcing an assault is a fair point, but normally I find people just Advance (away) and then shoot me to ribbons when I get too close. ^^

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nealhunt
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:49 pm 
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Scouts? Sure its almost always more harm than good in the current rules, but hey, its an ability.


For the record, the 10cm scout intermingling is a thing of the past, per the 2008 FAQ...

if that's actually what you're referring to here.

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scarik
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:58 pm 
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I think I was referring to the 10cm Intermingling.

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