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Unified set of Weapon stats
BlackLegion
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:13 pm 
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Oh in english too? I thought only the german version of the Apocalypse book had changed names for the titan weapons.
Perhabs we can borrow some? :)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:18 pm 
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(Hena @ Dec. 07 2007,20:14)
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I think that Plasma Destructor should have something more over the Cannon. Either 3+ to hit or IC (to balance out the -1 to hit in cover).

It's a Titan-Killer in Neal's proposal...

Head weapons are questionable as they need to cost or have some negative effect overall. Otherwise one takes them all the time. And they also are "automatic" to Assault titans (if giving FF or CC bonus) as titans need to be as destructive as possible in their trade.

Unsurprisingly, I like my "White Knights" system for dealing with heads.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:19 pm 
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The drawbacks of head-based weapons should probably be left to individual lists. The basic idea here is to iron out stats, then decide on how you choose your armaments depending on the individual lists. Much like how Space Marines have the same stats, but different unit sizes/organizations in different lists.

For titan names the only one I can see having changed between the Warhound and Warlord is that the Warlord gets a Laser Blaster instead of a Double Barreled Turbo-Laser Destructor. Which's stats are basically a triple-barreled TLD.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:22 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Dec. 07 2007,20:12)
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IIRC the new Apocalypse book has given some appended names to some of the weapons.

Warhound:

Double-barrelled Turbo-Laser Destructor

Warlord

Apocalypse Missile Launcher

The Plasma weapons are rather short ranged compared to the other "primary weapons".

And the Melta Cannon is fairly long range there too and certainly not an "assault" weapon!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:23 pm 
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(Hena @ Dec. 07 2007,20:20)
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Yup. But I'm thinking that it should hit better as well *shrug*. And I seem to notice an uncanny resemblance to your stats :;):.

Don't blame me if Neal knows a good idea when he sees it!   :cool:

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Well than call the Warhound weapon Turbo-Laser Destructor and the Battletitan weapon Laser Blaster.

I found out, that the Battletitan sized rocket launchers are called Apocalypse- or Apocalyptic Rocket Launcher.

Head weapons should probably only be available for Assault/Titan Hunter configurations (Vandal/Nightgaunt?).

@Chroma: Care to share the stats for the titan weapons given in the Apocalypse book?




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@Chroma: Care to share the stats for the titan weapons given in the Apocalypse book?

That's gonna be a lot of typing... *laugh*  And I've got a Warmachine tourney this evening.

So, has the "Laser Blaster" always been a Titan weapon?  What does the weapon model look like?

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(Evil and Chaos @ Dec. 07 2007,20:12)
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IIRC the new Apocalypse book has given some appended names to some of the weapons.

Warhound:

Double-barrelled Turbo-Laser Destructor

Warlord

Apocalypse Missile Launcher

The Plasma weapons are rather short ranged compared to the other "primary weapons".

And the Melta Cannon is fairly long range there too and certainly not an "assault" weapon!

Ack!  :angry:

That figures.  They would need to bland everything out to make it more 40K-applicable.

Perhaps we just need to accept that the titan weapons will deviate from the 40K versions more than inf/AV weapons.  After all, the VMB is 45cm range, but 60" in Apocalypse, so that's already screwed.

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The laser blaster's been around at least as long as the plastic warlords (IE: as long as the game XD) I have a couple. They're basically eight-barreled smaller laser cannons which go on Warlords. As I understand it the first editioin of the game didn't have TLDs, they weren't introduced until later. So using the Laser Blasters to fill that role would make reasonable sense, though you'd then have naming conflicts with the core rules! (Then again, you could do it the other way around, and name the Warhound ones the Laser Blaster, and leave the reaver/warlords as TLDs!)
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(Chroma @ Dec. 07 2007,20:22)
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(Evil and Chaos @ Dec. 07 2007,20:12)
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IIRC the new Apocalypse book has given some appended names to some of the weapons.

Warhound:

Double-barrelled Turbo-Laser Destructor

Warlord

Apocalypse Missile Launcher

The Plasma weapons are rather short ranged compared to the other "primary weapons".

And the Melta Cannon is fairly long range there too and certainly not an "assault" weapon!

But a game of 40K is an assault.  :D

What I find funning is that the melta cannon is 10+3D6 armour pen.  As if it wont penatrate anything.

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Played Emperors Shadow earlier today and he managed to roll 4 1's for 4 plasma blaster shots from his pair of Warhounds. ES is currently looking for new dice.

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Well, I'll probably be using Neal's weapon list for my titans in the future, barring some new development which says they should have vastly differing stats anyway.
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