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Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian?
Dobbsy	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:30 am
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:24 am Posts: 4499 Location: Melbourne, Australia	Just curious to know why I would even bother taking the Custodian... I mean has the same weapons AND it's slower. ok it has more troop capacity but pfft! who's gonna use all that? At an extra 100-150 points? I'd essentially be hamstringing myself by paying the extra points. Am I missing something here? IMO, it's a silly inclusion as is. At least up-gun it....
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Tactica	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:45 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	When Nerroth proposed it a long time ago, nobody challenged the stats. I asked him if anyone would realistically take it and nobody commented outside of - well, its typical with most vessels in E:A - "the bigger one is just for hauling more troops" was the only answer. So, we left it. Shorter answer - no, you aren't missing anything. _________________ Rob
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Honda	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:52 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:44 pm Posts: 1891 Location: Katy, Republic of Texas	Just curious to know why I would even bother taking the Custodian... And here I was going to say, "because the men's room is a mess and the teachers wouldn't bother to clean it up!"   I must be on the wrong board. _________________ Honda "Remember Taros? We do" - 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment

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Dobbsy	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:58 am
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:24 am Posts: 4499 Location: Melbourne, Australia	lol! Honda.... So will it change, or will it just be included for the sake of just being included?
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Xisor	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:58 am
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:11 pm Posts: 515	I think there's more merit for inclusion of the Emissary than the Custodian, from the point of view of having an 'effective' ship rather than what is the done thing... Xisor _________________ "Number 6 calls to you The Cylon Detector beckons Your girlfriend is a toaster"
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Tactica	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:41 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Quote (Xisor @ 12 April 2006 (05:58)) I think there's more merit for inclusion of the Emissary than the Custodian, from the point of view of having an 'effective' ship rather than what is the done thing... Xisor I'm with you guys. I'm not really a 'bandwagon' kind of guy. I'm all for including things that make sense and have an impact. Custodian has never been my choice. There's just been no movement towards putting anything else or changing it - well, until now that is. I don't think I can recall a single batrep where it was used to date in E:A Tau. Heh - unless you were playing a god awful huge game, why would it? I'm on board with the mood here though. Cheers, _________________ Rob
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Nerroth	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:48 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:00 pm Posts: 573 Location: Canada	Hi! The Custodian is in the list for a number of reasons - aside from the agreement to use my idea (along with the Tracer salvo), that is! It represents the resin Qath'fannor (Commerce Protection Fleet) range of starships, allowing for representation from each Tau fleet type. As a fleet carrier, yet one with a useful level of firepower, it serves the role of deliverer of planetary invasion forces better than an Explorer - one of the benefits of the new battleship design for the Empire. While the majority of EA games won't necessarily get the most out of its transport capacity, a charge one can level against many of the Battleships represented in EpicA, it allows the deployment of several Orca/Moray/Manta wings in a larger simulation of a full-scale planetary landing, should one ever actually get to play out such a scenario... If there is room for a Battle Barge - despite the likelihood that its additional transport capacity won't be needed - then the Custodian should stay. But then, I am a little protective of my lovely Or'es El'leath! Gary _________________ Gue'senshi: The 1st Kleistian Grenadiers v7.3 pdf Human armed forces for the greater good.
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Gotchaye	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:20 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:25 am Posts: 59	My group's just been assuming that the Pinpoint Attack numbers for Heros and Custodians were accidentally switched - am I hearing that this isn't the case?  If not, that seems awfully weird.  We figured that since the Hero wasn't quite up to the Lunar's level, it shouldn't be outgunning it, especially since the Lunar also has no transport capacity.
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Tactica	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:48 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Quote (Gotchaye @ 12 April 2006 (14:20)) My group's just been assuming that the Pinpoint Attack numbers for Heros and Custodians were accidentally switched - am I hearing that this isn't the case? ?If not, that seems awfully weird. ?We figured that since the Hero wasn't quite up to the Lunar's level, it shouldn't be outgunning it, especially since the Lunar also has no transport capacity. Hero is quite correct. See BFG for armorment comparisons. The problem is the Custodian doesn't really have the same armorment compliments that would assist ground invasions. However, it carries more stuff. The Hero doesn't even come close to out gunning the Custodian, the problem is, on certain weapons are valuable on a Inter stellar vessel when planetary invasions are concerned. The result is the Hero was the only vessel we had in our list for a long time. Tracer option was recently added to comply with the vessel's actual function in planetary warfare. The Custodian was added to the E:A Tau list in the past 12 - 18 months, as a gap filler... i.e., all other lists have 2 ships. Tau did not. Nerroth had the most knowledge on the BFG front, so we defaulted to his recomendation for the other ship. The Hero is the only ship really taken in GT events - if you are going to take a Tau E:A ship though. Its just the default planetary engagement vessel. _________________ Rob
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The_Real_Chris	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:45 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London	Hero vs lunar - b@@##$%# is its not better. Not one BFG player would say that - other than the designer of the fleet list! _________________ If using E-Bay use this link to support Tac Com! 'Abolish red trousers?! Never! Red trousers are France!' – Eugene Etienne, War Minister, 1913 "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography." General Plumer, 191x
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Dobbsy	Post subject: Sorry I forget, why would I take a Custodian? Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:01 am
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:24 am Posts: 4499 Location: Melbourne, Australia	Quote (Nerroth @ 12 April 2006 (15:48)) allowing for representation from each Tau fleet type But this isn't necessary Nerroth. We aren't really melding BFG and E:A together so closely. As a fleet carrier, yet one with a useful level of firepower, it serves the role of deliverer of planetary invasion forces better than an Explorer - one of the benefits of the new battleship design for the Empire.

Fair enough, it's serves a role but do we need this specific shipe design in the list? It's not 100% comparitive to any of the other races' main battleships. Plus, the fact it's pointless spending the extra points to get an inferior ship in a standard/tourney game.

While the majority of EA games won't necessarily get the most out of its transport capacity
Then again, why do we need it in the list?

a charge one can level against many of the Battleships represented in EpicA, it allows the deployment of several Orca/Moray/Manta wings in a larger simulation of a full-scale planetary landing, should one ever actually get to play out such a scenario...
Surely, it can go into the collectors section then..?

If there is room for a Battle Barge - despite the likelihood that its additional transport capacity won't be needed - then the Custodian should stay.

Well the BB actually delivers a rather nasty orbital bombardment, Nerroth. That's reason itself to have one.
Can't say the same for the Custodian, personally. I would NEVER take one in a game as it stands now when i get better bang for my buck taking the cruiser....